Viper V-10 recieving upgrades in future?

Jack B · Jun 13, 2013

I agree with you the G5 is a pig. I do not have your amazing grasp of facts or recall. For us less fortunate cretains
Please list all the current models that are less then $125k and can beat the G5 on a road course.

jsd512 said:
Not trying to be a dick, but predictions as of late have been off quite a bit. I remember when guys said the V10 would be making 670HP, oops. The guy from WISRT said a lot about the upcoming Dart SRT, oops. I'll believe it when I see it. I do believe DI is coming, along with more HP/TQ. They need it badly, the Viper is slow.

jsd512 · Jun 13, 2013

Jack B said:
I agree with you the G5 is a pig. I do not have your amazing grasp of facts or recall. For us less fortunate cretains
Please list all the current models that are less then $125k and can beat the G5 on a road course.

Slow in a straight line. Should have been more specific. The Viper has the race track locked down. They need to figure out how to beat others in a straight line. The car needed to be in the 10s, IMO. Maybe it will be easier to do this once they get an auto in there. 11.3 doesn't even get it into the top 5 or 6.

Jack B · Jun 13, 2013

You better warm up the search engine. SRT sent a tired old mule down to Florida and let a road racer give it a try at the drag strip. He did turn an 11.1 and posted a video. His best 60' time was a 1.7X. Every time he tried he would bog and still turned an 11.1. That was the first time for him with this car. My guess is that those other 5-6 faster straight line cars did not turn those times out of the box. If they did they were four wheel drive, before you preach the end of the world for the viper you should give it a little breathing room and then we can have this discussion again.

BTW, in the head-to-head reviews against the ZR1, the G5 beat it in the quarter. Those were same track and driver. I have seen several Zr1's way into the ten's, how could that be it if it was beat by that pig viper??

jsd512 said:
Slow in a straight line. Should have been more specific. The Viper has the race track locked down. They need to figure out how to beat others in a straight line. The car needed to be in the 10s, IMO. Maybe it will be easier to do this once they get an auto in there. 11.3 doesn't even get it into the top 5 or 6.

ViperSmith · Jun 13, 2013

lmao, first time at the drag strip it almost runs 10's and people complain

ya'll need to find something better to complain about

MoparMap · Jun 14, 2013

Vipers with lots of horsepower don't typically seem to do all that well in the quarter, they're not really meant for it. They just seem to have issues putting the power down (probably a lot to do with tires). Independent rear suspension doesn't necessarily help the matter either. You'd be hard pressed to design a car that could win in all forms of competition, you have to make some compromises somewhere. A 9 second drag car won't turn worth crap and a quick lap time Miata probably won't be worth much in a drag race. Like they say, a pro touring car can play in a pro street car's backyard, but a pro street car will still beat it if they're both built machines. The Viper was built for the road course and high speed agility, if you want to win a drag race go buy a Drag Pack Challenger with a V10.

kdaviper · Jun 14, 2013

Another disadvantage the Viper has, compared to a lot of exotics, is its near 50/50 weight distrobution... It's not going to have the same 0-60 time as a car with similar power to weight, but 60% of its mass sitting over the rear wheels... that's one reason mclarens etc are able to put down such amazing numbers so consistently.
The bottom line is TAANSTAFL, and the more compromises you make to one area to facilitate better performance in another area, the worse overall performance suffers.

SRTviper · Jun 14, 2013

Steve M said:
The dual mode exhaust makes sense on the Vette because you can easily bypass the mufflers with the layout they have chosen. On a Viper, bypassing the muffler really isn't an option, at least not with the current configuration. If they ran the exhaust out the back, it could be an option.

AFM on a performance car? No. Most of the AFM stuff I've seen from GM also requires an automatic transmission to compensate for the inherent clunkiness of cylinders activating and deactivating.

Thats not true. Also the boss 302 has an aftermarket electric cut outs for opening and closing the exhaust to the side. It can easily be done. They should do it the same with the aftermarket does it. You have a cut out that has a hole in it that can electronically open partially and open fully when you are at the track or in track mode or whatever like that. Granted with a quad exhaust it is easier because they just shut off 2 of the tips but it can still be done with a viper like exhaust. Look at the mclaren, they have like 5 way adjustable exhaust.

SRTviper · Jun 14, 2013

MoparMap said:
Vipers with lots of horsepower don't typically seem to do all that well in the quarter, they're not really meant for it. They just seem to have issues putting the power down (probably a lot to do with tires). Independent rear suspension doesn't necessarily help the matter either. You'd be hard pressed to design a car that could win in all forms of competition, you have to make some compromises somewhere. A 9 second drag car won't turn worth crap and a quick lap time Miata probably won't be worth much in a drag race. Like they say, a pro touring car can play in a pro street car's backyard, but a pro street car will still beat it if they're both built machines. The Viper was built for the road course and high speed agility, if you want to win a drag race go buy a Drag Pack Challenger with a V10.

Idk the koenigsegg agera R and pagani huayra and bugatti seem to do well in all aspects lol. So for 1 million dollars you can get there. Idk why people are complaining about the viper. Your getting a lambo engine, ferrari interior, and mostly carbon fiber body all for under 130k is amazing. And it's straight line slightly faster than a zr1? How much more do you need on the street. It holds the production car record at leguna seca. Like come now people. This car is the best bargain of the century.

kdaviper · Jun 14, 2013

SRTviper said:
Idk the koenigsegg agera R and pagani huayra and bugatti seem to do well in all aspects lol. So for 1 million dollars you can get there. Idk why people are complaining about the viper. Your getting a lambo engine, ferrari interior, and mostly carbon fiber body all for under 130k is amazing. And it's straight line slightly faster than a zr1? How much more do you need on the street. It holds the production car record at leguna seca. Like come now people. This car is the best bargain of the century.

lol from what I've heard the bugatti is a dog around a track for how powerful it is.

Steve M · Jun 14, 2013

SRTviper said:
Thats not true. Also the boss 302 has an aftermarket electric cut outs for opening and closing the exhaust to the side. It can easily be done. They should do it the same with the aftermarket does it. You have a cut out that has a hole in it that can electronically open partially and open fully when you are at the track or in track mode or whatever like that. Granted with a quad exhaust it is easier because they just shut off 2 of the tips but it can still be done with a viper like exhaust. Look at the mclaren, they have like 5 way adjustable exhaust.

Where exactly would you suggest a cutout be installed on a side-exhaust Viper? There's just no room due to how it is routed.

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You can see where it runs down the side sills in the pic above, but that is because the body panels that cover it have been taken off.

And both examples you've given have rear exiting exhaust systems.

chorps · Jun 14, 2013

SRTviper said:
Idk the koenigsegg agera R and pagani huayra and bugatti seem to do well in all aspects lol. So for 1 million dollars you can get there. Idk why people are complaining about the viper. Your getting a lambo engine, ferrari interior, and mostly carbon fiber body all for under 130k is amazing. And it's straight line slightly faster than a zr1? How much more do you need on the street. It holds the production car record at leguna seca. Like come now people. This car is the best bargain of the century.

Best comment so far. Also you won't see yourself coming and going because there's less than 2-3k made per year.

MoparMap · Jun 14, 2013

SRTviper said:
Idk the koenigsegg agera R and pagani huayra and bugatti seem to do well in all aspects lol. So for 1 million dollars you can get there. Idk why people are complaining about the viper. Your getting a lambo engine, ferrari interior, and mostly carbon fiber body all for under 130k is amazing. And it's straight line slightly faster than a zr1? How much more do you need on the street. It holds the production car record at leguna seca. Like come now people. This car is the best bargain of the century.

I'm not necessarily saying it's impossible, just that some compromises will be in any design. I think the Bugatti is AWD, which would certainly help put that much power down effectively without just turning it to smoke and noise, lol. As for the Pagani and Koenigsegg, they both certainly do multi-duty very well, but to my knowledge neither one beats the Viper in both track and drag (though I could certainly be wrong, I haven't extensively read up on comparisons with them and I don't think many have made it to the States). The first US legal Pagani is the new Huarya from what I've read as well. Do you get a better overall package with them? Probably, but I also completely agree with you that the Viper is the bargain car of all supercars. Crazy performance that will run with the top percentage of cars at fractions of the price. I could buy a new GTS to cruise in AND a crazy track pack stripped down SRT race version and still have money left over compared to buying a Pagani or Koenigsegg.

TrackAire · Jun 14, 2013

Steve M said:
Where exactly would you suggest a cutout be installed on a side-exhaust Viper? There's just no room due to how it is routed.

You must be registered for see images attach

You can see where it runs down the side sills in the pic above, but that is because the body panels that cover it have been taken off.

And both examples you've given have rear exiting exhaust systems.

I wouldn't go with a separate cut out, just redesign the muffler to have electronically controlled internal baffles and or flaps to change the direction of the exhaust gas through the muffler. As easy as straight through design for the track and a baffled design for no drone quiet cruising. Since the stock muffler is pretty big with still some room to be had, I'd think from an engineering point of view it's very doable. It only costs time and money to do this.

I think a lot of the challenges SRT faces is a lot of previous suppliers that would do special projects or prototypes are either out of business or pissed at Chrysler for hanging them out to dry during the "re-organization" years.

Also, the drag results in Florida were on drag race rubber on the rear.....the final results really mean nothing since it is not stock. Still a very fast car, but add at least another 3 or 4 tenths to the ET.

Cheers,
George

09 Venom · Jun 14, 2013

Having driven the car the past week the Gen V Viper is so much more refined in every way than previous gens. It is more of a complete car. The upgrades in tranny and clutch alone are significant. I am always up for more speed and I can tell you it is definitely faster than the gen IV but I am enjoying the overall car more. I am all for upgrading the engine but if SRT continues to improve upon the car like it did with the Gen V it will be a major success with new owners.

VENOM V · Jun 14, 2013

09 Venom said:
Having driven the car the past week the Gen V Viper is so much more refined in every way than previous gens. It is more of a complete car. The upgrades in tranny and clutch alone are significant. I am always up for more speed and I can tell you it is definitely faster than the gen IV but I am enjoying the overall car more. I am all for upgrading the engine but if SRT continues to improve upon the car like it did with the Gen V it will be a major success with new owners.

It's good to get your reports, keep 'em coming. Sometimes I need a little cheering up, LOL.

For road-coursers, I don't see a need for more power. So I guess it depends upon what floats your boat. For straight line, it seems they should work more on traction before upping the HP. Perhaps a more sophisticated magnetic electronic suspension, like the Vettes and Ferraris, to soften it and improve weight transfer. I personally would focus elsewhere, but that's just me. I LOVE this big, bullet-proof, naturally aspirated V10. Doesn't have heat soak issues on the road courses like the ZR1 and others .

SRTviper · Jun 14, 2013

VENOM V said:
It's good to get your reports, keep 'em coming. Sometimes I need a little cheering up, LOL.

For road-coursers, I don't see a need for more power. So I guess it depends upon what floats your boat. For straight line, it seems they should work more on traction before upping the HP. Perhaps a more sophisticated magnetic electronic suspension, like the Vettes and Ferraris, to soften it and improve weight transfer. I personally would focus elsewhere, but that's just me. I LOVE this big, bullet-proof, naturally aspirated V10. Doesn't have heat soak issues on the road courses like the ZR1 and others .

Yea I think SRT dropped the ball on the shocks. They should have used an MR like system. But they picked a cheap shock/strut that many other cars use. Or maybe even an air suspension like porsche is using. On the TA shocks made all the difference on leguna. So those were probably one of the most important part of the car but they decided to be cheap there of all places.

If there was an electronic exhaust and a better adjustable shock system this car would truly just completely destroy everything else out there. And SRT would be selling them like crazy. They also need carbon ceramic rotors. I'm still not completely sold on this car. Still waiting to see the new zr1 because it is already 45k cheaper and for an extra 20k to John Caravaggio I can get bugatti leather in the corvette and still pay less than the viper. So it is still a toss up. Maybe in 2 years SRT changes some options.

FLL-B/W-GTS · Jun 14, 2013

A brand new Gen 5 will be arriving in Fort Lauderdale in the near future, and shortly after it will be heading to Palm Beach Drag Strip and the new Gen 5 will then join the 10 Second club..

BTW,that white Gen.5 at PB a couple months ago was not a tried mule. That car ran excellent all day. It was mostly running mid 11s with the best 11.17.But,it did have drag radials, which is really not completely stock.I was their.

Problem is, the 4 wheel cars (GTRs and Porsches 911TS)and the new McLaren's just rule the drag strip now a days.Mid to upper 10s all day long,every time, bone stock..

Stand by for some new Viper drag slips in the future....

Bruce H. · Jun 14, 2013

SRTviper said:
I'm still not completely sold on this car.

Are you even remotely sold on this car? It sounds like a car that "might" be built in 2-3 years, with unknown price and specifications, is the front runner :omg:

Coloviper · Jun 14, 2013

How old are some of the posters on here lately? The responses are all over the map from the SAME posters within their own posts. Judging by some of these responses, I doubt some of these guys even have a driver's license. New ZR1 comparisons complete with factory magically MRSP costs and performance figures? I mean really, been borrowing Daddy's Motor Trends again.

ringram · Jun 15, 2013

The McLaren 12C is a RWD car with no LSD.. But all manner of fancy gimmickry. The 7 speed dual clutch trans and an 8500 redline help.

Id wager the viper would hit 10's easy if it could rev another 2000rpm and shift near instantly. Thats the difference.

09 Venom · Jun 15, 2013

if its just shocks you are concerned with they are easy enough to swap out. the engine is bullet proof and soon enough there will be a reprogram of the ECU an exhaust setup (already is) and you are close to 675hp which is more than 90% of the people on this forum can handle. SRT will also be filtering down some minor tweaks. although I am a big fan of the Corvette (having owned two and a Z06) just too common place now a days. Even if the new ZR1 is quicker in a straight line I am so past just that performance wise. I am now more in to the total car package and experience. And there is still nothing out there like the Viper.

SRTviper said:
Yea I think SRT dropped the ball on the shocks. They should have used an MR like system. But they picked a cheap shock/strut that many other cars use. Or maybe even an air suspension like porsche is using. On the TA shocks made all the difference on leguna. So those were probably one of the most important part of the car but they decided to be cheap there of all places.

If there was an electronic exhaust and a better adjustable shock system this car would truly just completely destroy everything else out there. And SRT would be selling them like crazy. They also need carbon ceramic rotors. I'm still not completely sold on this car. Still waiting to see the new zr1 because it is already 45k cheaper and for an extra 20k to John Caravaggio I can get bugatti leather in the corvette and still pay less than the viper. So it is still a toss up. Maybe in 2 years SRT changes some options.

09 Venom · Jun 15, 2013

I know Ralph wanted to keep the basic DNA of the Viper intact but after every drive , I get out and still cant believe it is a Viper. SO feels like a different car, just cant explain it. The GTS interior is top notch.

VENOM V said:
It's good to get your reports, keep 'em coming. Sometimes I need a little cheering up,
.

Mamba52 · Jun 15, 2013

VENOM V said:
It's good to get your reports, keep 'em coming. Sometimes I need a little cheering up, LOL.

For road-coursers, I don't see a need for more power. So I guess it depends upon what floats your boat. For straight line, it seems they should work more on traction before upping the HP. Perhaps a more sophisticated magnetic electronic suspension, like the Vettes and Ferraris, to soften it and improve weight transfer. I personally would focus elsewhere, but that's just me. I LOVE this big, bullet-proof, naturally aspirated V10. Doesn't have heat soak issues on the road courses like the ZR1 and others .

I agree the Viper needs too lose more weight. The GTS-R is getting spanked by small under powered cars.
Long Beach lost to BMW Z4 2745 LBS 475 HP
Monterey lost to C6 ZR1
911 GT3
BMW Z4

I Bin Therbefor · Jun 15, 2013

Mamba52 said:
I agree the Viper needs too lose more weight. The GTS-R is getting spanked by small under powered cars.
Long Beach lost to BMW Z4 2745 LBS 475 HP
Monterey lost to C6 ZR1
911 GT3
BMW Z4

The regulating body controls the weight and the intake size in order to "equalize" the performance of the cars. The desire is for close racing.

BMW and AM have been very successful at working the regulating body to give them an advantage. The previous BMW had a front suspension different from the stock car and areo advantages over all other cars. The current BMW has an engine not available in the current car and a chassis/aero package that is at best not in the spirit of the class intention. You notice that they are not at LeMans.

SRTviper · Jun 15, 2013

Coloviper said:
How old are some of the posters on here lately? The responses are all over the map from the SAME posters within their own posts. Judging by some of these responses, I doubt some of these guys even have a driver's license. New ZR1 comparisons complete with factory magically MRSP costs and performance figures? I mean really, been borrowing Daddy's Motor Trends again.

Hmm is that directed at me? This is what SRT wanted when they made this was to attract a younger crowd with the money to buy this car. They are succeeding in that. Nothing wrong with comparing this to the future ZR1. I mean that is going to be its bench mark and competitor. They will be pretty close to the same price with the same characteristics. Your comment is like saying people who compare mustangs to camaros are dumb or people who compare bmw to audi are dumb. Let me ask you this, are you just jealous when young people can afford a 130k car? Get over it.

Bruce H. said:
Are you even remotely sold on this car? It sounds like a car that "might" be built in 2-3 years, with unknown price and specifications, is the front runner

I am about 90% sold. If the new zr1 isn't worlds ahead of this viper I will be getting the viper. Still considering an m6 though as well. Since they are all in the 130k range.

SRTviper · Jun 15, 2013

09 Venom said:
if its just shocks you are concerned with they are easy enough to swap out. the engine is bullet proof and soon enough there will be a reprogram of the ECU an exhaust setup (already is) and you are close to 675hp which is more than 90% of the people on this forum can handle. SRT will also be filtering down some minor tweaks. although I am a big fan of the Corvette (having owned two and a Z06) just too common place now a days. Even if the new ZR1 is quicker in a straight line I am so past just that performance wise. I am now more in to the total car package and experience. And there is still nothing out there like the Viper.

I agree. If the ZR1 has more performance I don't really care. I care if it comes out with even more refinement and comfort. That is why I am stressing the shocks. And I can't change out the electronic shocks without a tune which would void any warranty. But as you said right now I prefer the viper for its exclusivity as well. It already has way more performance than I will ever need on the street so since that part is covered now the rest of the package is what matters.

SRTviper · Jun 15, 2013

Mamba52 said:
I agree the Viper needs too lose more weight. The GTS-R is getting spanked by small under powered cars.
Long Beach lost to BMW Z4 2745 LBS 475 HP
Monterey lost to C6 ZR1
911 GT3
BMW Z4

I think it is more in the suspension than the weight. Notice the difference the TA did between the GTS and SRT models on Leguna Seca. Huge difference.

Coloviper · Jun 15, 2013

Younger crowd? And kicking the price up 50% on a GTS to $150k was clearly their ultimate target and brilliant marking ploy to tap this huge rich young crowd of people coming out of the wood works? I am not even 40 and yes a 100+ car is a lot of money when you have worked hard for it through your own personal efforts over many years. If you can afford a new Gen V because you have the money (however you were able to get the money), more power to you. To say the ZR1 and Viper are basically the same car because they both cost the same amount? Oh and an M6 is in the same category for consideration as the other two because it is also costs the same amount. Well, all that can be said is you should not invest the rest of the time and effort convincing yourself of the extra 10% to get you to 100% to convince yourself of the new GEN V as the car for you. It is clearly not the car for you and despite the cash you are so clearly bragging about having at such a young age, you are definitely not the type of person SRT had in mind when they designed it. But to each their own and despite everything I do wish you the best whatever you decide on because that is what car guys do. Oh yah, your welcome for digging up all that prototype winter/ice/snow GEN V tire and wheel package for winter driving information directly from SRT. I guess that must have pulled from that 10% decision making mark for you to finalize your check on a new GEN V. BTW comparing pony car models or sport sedans to each other is not dumb. Comparing a car on the street with a future car that is complete and utter vaporware at the moment (new gen ZR1) is well...you said it!

SRTviper · Jun 15, 2013

Coloviper said:
Younger crowd? And kicking the price up 50% on a GTS to $150k was clearly their ultimate target and brilliant marking ploy to tap this huge rich young crowd of people coming out of the wood works? I am not even 40 and yes a 100+ car is a lot of money when you have worked hard for it through your own personal efforts over many years. If you can afford a new Gen V because you have the money (however you were able to get the money), more power to you. To say the ZR1 and Viper are basically the same car because they both cost the same amount? Oh and an M6 is in the same category for consideration as the other two because it is also costs the same amount. Well, all that can be said is you should not invest the rest of the time and effort convincing yourself of the extra 10% to get you to 100% to convince yourself of the new GEN V as the car for you. It is clearly not the car for you and despite the cash you are so clearly bragging about having at such a young age, you are definitely not the type of person SRT had in mind when they designed it. But to each their own and despite everything I do wish you the best whatever you decide on because that is what car guys do. Oh yah, your welcome for digging up all that prototype winter/ice/snow GEN V tire and wheel package for winter driving information directly from SRT. I guess that must have pulled from that 10% decision making mark for you to finalize your check on a new GEN V. BTW comparing pony car models or sport sedans to each other is not dumb. Comparing a car on the street with a future car that is complete and utter vaporware at the moment (new gen ZR1) is well...you said it!

Never did I brag about having money. No one who can afford this car has to brag about having money. Just being able to buy it says you have money when you get to this level of luxury. You just are implying young people got their success from Mommy and Daddy essentially and I'm calling you out on it. For all you know I'm 40 lol. And yes the viper and zr1 are very comparable because they are extremely similar. The m6 is just a different route being if one wants more comfort and less performance. Also come on given the new stingray and seeing the past zr1 you can guess with accuracy what the future zr1 will have. And trust me SRT had in my mind those trust fund babies when they made all of these european designs for Americans since the die hard viper fans aren't into the euro stuff but the ac cobra look which was the original inspiration for the car.

But don't worry about what I need to do to convince myself which car is right for me when the time comes. I'm realistic about how much performance can be used on the street as well as my capability of bringing it out. And I will tell you this my shelby may go 0-60 in 3.5 but no way will I ever get it there. So do I need that 660hp when 550 with a dual clutch will get me there? No. Plus in the last week alone I have seen 4 2013 gt500s driven by kids and definitely don't want a car that every kid is getting from their daddy. It ruins the exclusivity and appeal of it when everyone else has one, especially those below the age of 20. Viper is 1 on my list in that regard haha. I have seen zero vipers on the street

Also the m6 comes in a coupe not just sedan.

elanderholm · Jun 15, 2013

Mamba52 said:
I agree the Viper needs too lose more weight. The GTS-R is getting spanked by small under powered cars.
Long Beach lost to BMW Z4 2745 LBS 475 HP
Monterey lost to C6 ZR1
911 GT3
BMW Z4

The problem is the viper chassis and engine are designed to handle and make 640+HP. Once it is regulated to 500 HP the extra weight in the engine and chassis are problems for it. If you only needed to make 500 HP unrestricted you wouldn't create an 8 liter monster or make the chassis as heavy because you would design both for much less HP.

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