TexasSnake
Enthusiast
I'm in the market for some new rods and pistons for my s/c '05 SRT. What brand/type would you guys recommend or think is the best?
Thanks...
Thanks...
I'm in the market for some new rods and pistons for my s/c '05 SRT. What brand/type would you guys recommend or think is the best?
Thanks...
i believe the main caps are good to about 900rwhp. some have gone higher though
Well then to extend my question.. after main caps rods/pistons how much can a short block hold?
I guess what I'm trying to get out, besides buying a 18k+ dollar shortblock from some "well known" builder, what can a Do-it yourselfer accomplish building an engine inside his garage? I'm really thinking about putting a pair of snails on my viper next year, and would like to start pieceing together parts of my drivetrain to hold 1100rwhp+
I understand new main caps would require machine work, along with balancing out the internals, but putting the engine together I'm capable of doing.
Answer: Assuming you built it the same way a tuner would, with the same parts, it would hold the same amount of power...?
However, the chance of using the same parts as a tuner, unless purchased from them directly, are about zero. Most tuners use Custom Parts only available to them. The "off the shelf" parts do not hold a candle to what can be designed. Also, the knowledge and design behind those parts is really only applied to a block built in-house. Buying the parts from a tuner is one thing, but asking a tuner about all the details on how they assemble their engines begins to enter an "uncomfortable zone", as it starts to cross the line on proprietary information in some cases.
You have to keep in mind how much of a "balls to the wall" shortblock build is just Parts. Parts are HUUUUGE. If you want those extra special parts that keep these engines together for the long haul, it costs, in one way or the other- and these arent the same parts you get "off the shelf" 99% of the time. After that, you have to consider the labor of a build, and all the little "details" and machining tidbits that have to be changed that the tuner working with a particular part selection knows all about, Vs. a first-timer using those components, and the hassles that can come out of it from mistakes or missed items. When you start mixing components from a dozen manufacturers, things get VERY complicated in a hurry. "OEM Copy" parts are generally dogs when it comes to efficiency, and all the little tricks that go with custom parts you have to *know* about when planning the build for them to fit/work- they wont be part of the instruction manual.
Throwing a set of forged pistons and rods from off the shelf into an engine isnt that hard. Even adding main caps isnt that bad if you can get the machining done right. (and that easier said than done). But what about the cam and timing set, the tools needed to degree it, the tools needed to remove/install the cam sprocket, the machining to make the scraper functional again, clearancing, machining for oil pickup, tools for checking the block, torque wrenches, dial bore gauges, good ring filer and squaring tool, etc, etc... the list goes on.
Building a 1000 horsepower Viper engine isnt too hard, and doesnt require top-shelf parts pulling out all the stops. Creep up into the 1500+ range, and it certainly does for any type of longevity.
Can you built it yourself? Sure. But when it comes down to it.... is it worth it?
It looks to me the viper community needs to quit putting the "P*ssy on the Pedistal."
So you are trying to tell me that only certain "viper builders" can get these "special" rods and pistons? So if I go and call up oliver and ask to buy a set of rods, they would tell me, "Sorry, we can only sell you are regular set. You have to pay a "viper" builder an extra 5k to get our good set."
Sorry.. that's not jiving with me.
If I need to buy certain tools, then I'll buy or make certain tools.
It looks to me the viper community needs to quit putting the "P*ssy on the Pedistal." I have seen these engines, I have tore them apart. There is nothing "exotic" about them. It's just a pushrod V-10. It looks no different then the dart 352, capable of holding 2000rwhp on a turbo setup, I just sold. Except it has the 2 extra cylinder bolt on...
As open as the viper comunity is about some things, it sure does try and keep owners really ignorant in some other areas. What are these viper tuners scared of? That if people know their "secrets" they won't come back?
Ok all I'm doing is ranting now... It looks like I got all the info I'm going to get openly..
Thanks