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:confused: I got in my 1996 GTS, got the key 3/4 of the way turned as I proceeded to start the engine. Before the engine turned over, the speedometer hand did a 360 degree turn-yes, it lapped itself. I let off of the key, then turned the key again to engage the ignition, and it did it again. As I released the key, the speedometer hand relaxed(went to 0). When I jiggled the key, the speedometer hand went to maybe 80 mph. I tried again, except that time the odometer on the trip gauge started advancing at an incredible rate. I started staring at it thinking maybe it was just the trip gauge and that I would be able to reset it, when to my dismay the cumulative odometer began advancing as well. The odometer probably advanced 4 or 5 miles while I was sitting there. I quickly turned the key off and removed it from the ignition, so my low mileage car didn't quickly become a high mileage car. Has anyone seen anything at all similar to this???

A little background: the starter failed and was replaced about 2 wks ago. The Viper shop said that was their first GTS starter replacement in 7 yrs. of doing business, i.e., it's normally a very reliable component. During 3 or 4 previous occasions(in the last 3 months since I became a Viper owner), my speedometer and odometer quit working. They showed no signs of life at all. Then, they would spontaneously begin working again. I did put the car on ramps a month ago and found an unplugged electrical module (3 or 4 pin)on the left side of the transmission. I believe it was a "speed sensor". I plugged it in, and had experienced no further episodes of speedometer/odometer failure until today. The lack of further speedometer failure may have been coincidental to the plugging in of the module.
I also installed a shift light 3-4 wks ago. The speedometer had shown signs of failure before then. Lastly, the electrical system was also tapped when the nitrous system was converted from a dry system to a wet system by a local Viper shop 3 months ago. Any advice would be most appreciated. Is it possible that the odometer is "catching up" with mileage that didn't get recorded when the odometer wasn't working, but mileage that the computer has recorded??? I probably had 100 miles that didn't get recorded. I would hate it if the odometer for no reason went to high mileage-mileage I didn't even get to drive! :(



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Re: I bet you $ to donuts you\'ve never seen this Viper problem-

wow. nope never saw that one.

however mine did do this....

when I turn on the key (not engine start just power) the speedo and tac floored themselves, that has happend maybe 3 times in the year and a half of ownership.
 

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Re: I bet you $ to donuts you\'ve never seen this Viper problem-

Both battery related. try replacing that first... i've seen something _similar) like this before be the battery...

JD
 

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or the pcm.


Joseph what have you done now to get 965/955??? they were in the 8's if im not mistaken?
 

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I've seen this similar problem in other cars before. In my case the alternator was going bad. It caused dips in the voltage as the battery was supplying all the juice. When the voltages dipped the gauges started doing really weird things. In addition to the tach going nuts my speedo would say I was doing 100 when I was only doing 20. Wish I could do a hundred in a '93 Grand AM. :crazy: Anyway, the problem is likely electrical as Joeseph hinted. Measure your voltages if you can. Just my .000002 cents.
 

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actually, I have not come across this in a Viper, but in the older cars, this is due to a faulty ground. I am amazed the car ran without the speed sensor plugged in. I would think the PCM would really miss that signal. sounds like a DRB could find the problem.
 

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:confused: I got in my 1996 GTS, got the key 3/4 of the way turned as I proceeded to start the engine. Before the engine turned over, the speedometer hand did a 360 degree turn-yes, it lapped itself. I let off of the key, then turned the key again to engage the ignition, and it did it again. As I released the key, the speedometer hand relaxed(went to 0). When I jiggled the key, the speedometer hand went to maybe 80 mph. I tried again, except that time the odometer on the trip gauge started advancing at an incredible rate. I started staring at it thinking maybe it was just the trip gauge and that I would be able to reset it, when to my dismay the cumulative odometer began advancing as well. The odometer probably advanced 4 or 5 miles while I was sitting there. I quickly turned the key off and removed it from the ignition, so my low mileage car didn't quickly become a high mileage car. Has anyone seen anything at all similar to this???

A little background: the starter failed and was replaced about 2 wks ago. The Viper shop said that was their first GTS starter replacement in 7 yrs. of doing business, i.e., it's normally a very reliable component. During 3 or 4 previous occasions(in the last 3 months since I became a Viper owner), my speedometer and odometer quit working. They showed no signs of life at all. Then, they would spontaneously begin working again. I did put the car on ramps a month ago and found an unplugged electrical module (3 or 4 pin)on the left side of the transmission. I believe it was a "speed sensor". I plugged it in, and had experienced no further episodes of speedometer/odometer failure until today. The lack of further speedometer failure may have been coincidental to the plugging in of the module.
I also installed a shift light 3-4 wks ago. The speedometer had shown signs of failure before then. Lastly, the electrical system was also tapped when the nitrous system was converted from a dry system to a wet system by a local Viper shop 3 months ago. Any advice would be most appreciated. Is it possible that the odometer is "catching up" with mileage that didn't get recorded when the odometer wasn't working, but mileage that the computer has recorded??? I probably had 100 miles that didn't get recorded. I would hate it if the odometer for no reason went to high mileage-mileage I didn't even get to drive! :(



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http://i.euniverse.com/funpages/cms_content/6660/2008cc1.swf :shocked:

Oh hell, that was good! :2tu: :2tu: Click on the link people. Also, do you have O2 sims?
 
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Excellent call-I neglected to mention that a loose ground wire was found when the starter was replaced. It was located at the right front of the engine and of course, was tightened. I never got explained to my satisfaction (or understanding) how a loose ground caused a starter to burn out, but the shop seemed to think that was the culprit. The battery is new. The voltmeter shows 14 volts whenever the engine and alternator are running. Also, from what I've been told, the speedometer is all electrical-a drive by wire system. No spinning mechanical speedo cable, so I would assume the problem is electrical. I just don't know the proper/correct way to trace the wiring to look for a short. I can pull out the service manual but if someone can give me a pointer or two I sure would appreciate it. :)
 

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Somewhat related but maybe not your problem, I had a speedo on a 95 with a mind of its own. Bounced all over the place at random times. I drove myself nuts for months checking grounds, testing wires, amps, etc. Turns out the ICM needed to be replaced and it has worked perfect ever since. Rare part to go bad on a 95.
 
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Re: I bet you $ to donuts you\'ve never seen this Viper problem-

Do you have a different differential gear ratio with the
spedo calibration box added to your spedometer circuit?
 
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I have 3.45 gears and the speedometer was checked a couple of days ago for accuracy, so yes, it must have a speedo calibration unit(the speedo seemed slow for my apparent speed, so I got the wifey to drive behind me and drive her car at set increments of 30,40,50,60, and 70 mph-the Viper speedo was dead on). I can't say I know where it is. There are 3 or 4 black metal box modules that are under the PCM cover that I specifically asked the Viper shop what they were when they replaced my starter. They actually typed that question up on the ticket and typed the answer "electronic nitrous device".
 

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:confused: I got in my 1996 GTS, got the key 3/4 of the way turned as I proceeded to start the engine. Before the engine turned over, the speedometer hand did a 360 degree turn-yes, it lapped itself. I let off of the key, then turned the key again to engage the ignition, and it did it again. As I released the key, the speedometer hand relaxed(went to 0). When I jiggled the key, the speedometer hand went to maybe 80 mph. I tried again, except that time the odometer on the trip gauge started advancing at an incredible rate. I started staring at it thinking maybe it was just the trip gauge and that I would be able to reset it, when to my dismay the cumulative odometer began advancing as well. The odometer probably advanced 4 or 5 miles while I was sitting there. I quickly turned the key off and removed it from the ignition, so my low mileage car didn't quickly become a high mileage car. Has anyone seen anything at all similar to this???

A little background: the starter failed and was replaced about 2 wks ago. The Viper shop said that was their first GTS starter replacement in 7 yrs. of doing business, i.e., it's normally a very reliable component. During 3 or 4 previous occasions(in the last 3 months since I became a Viper owner), my speedometer and odometer quit working. They showed no signs of life at all. Then, they would spontaneously begin working again. I did put the car on ramps a month ago and found an unplugged electrical module (3 or 4 pin)on the left side of the transmission. I believe it was a "speed sensor". I plugged it in, and had experienced no further episodes of speedometer/odometer failure until today. The lack of further speedometer failure may have been coincidental to the plugging in of the module.
I also installed a shift light 3-4 wks ago. The speedometer had shown signs of failure before then. Lastly, the electrical system was also tapped when the nitrous system was converted from a dry system to a wet system by a local Viper shop 3 months ago. Any advice would be most appreciated. Is it possible that the odometer is "catching up" with mileage that didn't get recorded when the odometer wasn't working, but mileage that the computer has recorded??? I probably had 100 miles that didn't get recorded. I would hate it if the odometer for no reason went to high mileage-mileage I didn't even get to drive! :(



A different problem:


http://i.euniverse.com/funpages/cms_content/6660/2008cc1.swf :shocked:


Never seen it happened before. Good luck. The clip was good though. :2tu:
 

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Re: I bet you $ to donuts you\'ve never seen this Viper problem-

I don't believe that a loose ground can burn out a starter.
It could keep it from working but not ruin it.

I don't know exactly what you mean by a loose ground wire. If you mean a wire that looked like it should go to ground but didn't go to ground,
you might just try ungrounding the wire and see if the speedo problem goes away.
 

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Re: I bet you $ to donuts you\'ve never seen this Viper problem-

If you ever figure out how to get the odometer to run backwards, PM me :D
 
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No geniuses out there that want to help out a fellow owner in need? I turned the key again today, and the trip odometer started spinning fast, again, so I quickly turned it off. After gathering my courage, I quickly turned the key all the way and started the car. The spinning odometer quit spinning once the engine was running. Any new ideas, or better yet, how to I proceed to diagnose this ailment? Dr. Viper, paging Dr. Viper.
 

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Sounds like one for Rich Carlson there at the regional training center.
 

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Matthew, I thought was on the right track until you said the odometer started rolling back.

But I did have a similar problem with the speedo sending unit after a gear change. Mine would go crazy and the miles
increased at a triple amount while the needle zoomed all over the place. Unitrax sent me a new one and also calibrated it for my new taller tires. No problems for more than a year with the second one.
 

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Almost forgot,I'll be needing that donut if you come to Bradenton this year. "Chocolate Frosted".
 
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Speedo sending unit, huh? Ok, I'll look into it. Now, for your donut-do you like them turning to the right or turning them to the left? On pavement or lawn? Just let me know and I'll give you a donut made of rubber that will last at least a bit, all for your viewing pleasure........... :2tu:
 
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