sick of Z06 already !!!

[whitebluevipe]

is it me or is anybody else sick of hearing about the Z06 yet? this thing basically (i know the chassis and drive train are different) looks just like a basic $45,000 stock vette yet will cost anywhere from 20 to 35k more. why are we speaking so highly of the competion? you could take a new regular vette and invest 20 to 30k and spank almost anything anyway. everybody is talking about this spanking the new viper coupe? first we aren't totally even sure what the new coupe will actually do. second the viper still has more torque. third vipers from 10 years ago are worth as much if not more than a brand new vette. also they will probably produce more Z06's than viper does coups or convertibles combined. and here's a new's flash, if the Z06 is beating the new coup than its also spanking any other stock viper on the road!! I bought a viper because they are awsome and different and didn't want a McVette!! and if any body gets real upset with this I guess we know who's side you are on.

 

[STUGOTS]

the reason it looks like a $45K vette is because basicly it is with a few mods that GM did like exhaust,headers,HF cats,HF filters,heads,cam ect.

What company coulden't just take their best car and mod it at the factory??

Hell Honda can mod the Civic with turbos ect. at the factory and drop a 400HP civic.

 

[MIKE-HKS]

i'm a vette owner but you are correct look's the same as the 45k car, soon everybody will have a c6 z06 look alike,
before you could tell the z06 was a different car , but now ... well lets say i wont buy one .

 

[VIPER BAZ UK]

The vette is a nice car although i do prefer the C5..
But i would rather have the 10 year old viper anyday!!!
Baz

 

[STUGOTS]

The vette is a nice car although i do prefer the C5..
But i would rather have the 10 year old viper anyday!!!
Baz

Thats how I feel.

 

[RT10Paul]

the reason it looks like a $45K vette is because basicly it is with a few mods that GM did like exhaust,headers,HF cats,HF filters,heads,cam ect.

That and a 427 cid motor.

Look, this argument has existed since there was more than one car on the road. If you really want to compare cars, you have to do it stock-to-stock. Otherwise, it makes zero sense. I've put tens of thousands of dollars into my twin turbo Z06 and can beat the crap out of 99% of what's running on the streets and tracks today. Is that a fair comparison? No.

Looks are subjective. I, for one, really don't like the looks of Gen III Vipers so I had to purchase a Gen II. I don't particularly like the looks of the C6 and new C6 Z06. However, some guys love the new Vette line. It's totally subjective and everyone's preferences are different.

As far as exclusive/unique cars go, yes the Viper is more "exotic" than the Vette. But what does this really mean? It doesn't make the car go any faster. It doesn't make the car more or less reliable. It's not gonna get you cheaper gas. Do you feel good that more people are checking you out? That's great. Some people like to live in the limelight while others prefer a low profile. Again, personal preference.

You're sick of hearing about the new Z, I can understand that. Quite frankly, so am I. But was there not enough talk when Gen III cars or the supposed 625 hp coupe news hit the internet?

Paul

 

[Chuck 98 RT/10]

"Already?" I was sick of hearing about it six months ago when it was going to be a 700hp twin turbo Enzo killer for less than 50K.

That company sells more hype than anything.

I will laugh my *** off when the Viper coupe comes out with 550hp one day after the Z06.

 

[got one]

Ya...and which one is going to turn heads in 8 months...

 

[SNKEBIT]

Chuck!!! you're so cynical.

 

[Flyviper]

"McVette"--- that says it all.

 

[rcdice]

Sick of hearing about it? Absolutely. In fact, I'm bitting my tongue even posting and therefore continuing the discussion. However, had to say this:

It's a good thing that for every classic/collectible/prized/cherished; Viper, Ferrari, muscle car, Jag, Aston Martin, Lambo, Cobra, 60's Vette, etc. etc. that every car guy/gal doesn't always want to rush out and buy whatever is the latest and fastest new car. There will always be something newer and faster coming out. Factory or moded. Always.

It is a good thing for the manufacturers that there are those who must have the latest, right now. Prediction: New Z06 hits the showroom, guys are paying WAY over sticker to get one. Six months to one year later, they are going for less than sticker. Every chevy dealership owner will be laughing himself all the way to the bank at the thought of those poor saps that had to cough up $10k over sticker just to be the first one on their block to have one. Six months later, every housewife and candle party coordinator is driving a C6 that looks almost the same.

No thanks.

 

[Craig 201 MPH]

You're also gonna be sick of seeing it's tail lights.

50 more h.p. is not going to give the GTS an edge. The new Z is a much more well rounded car.

 

[GR8_ASP]

You're also gonna be sick of seeing it's tail lights.

50 more h.p. is not going to give the GTS an edge. The new Z is a much more well rounded car.

Did you mean the SRT-10 Coupe Craig? If so please calculate the power to weight ratio of the Z06 versus the SRT-10 with 50 more hp.

Also, what the hell does more well rounded mean? Stop better, turn better, go faster .. ?

Just because the vette talks brake technology does not mean it will deliver better stopping power. The SRT does one whale of a job in the braking department. Better than a Gen I or II isn't saying much (relax guys I only mean regarding braking) but that is not what the vette will be compared against.

 

[STUGOTS]

the coupe will have 600hp anyway so factor in 100 more hp not 50!

 

[Simms]

I want to vomit everytime someone blows the big Z06 horn. Especially these bald Vette owners where I live.

Its a great car, but still a vette. The average person would walk right past it and go look at a 10 year old GEN1 if they were parked side by side.

I can't wait to run into one on the road.

Doesn't the new 427 have 11:1 compression? Good luck forcing air into that motor without spending big cash.

I'll keep my 9 year old GTS with a 8k blower.

 

[Chuck 98 RT/10]

You're also gonna be sick of seeing it's tail lights.

50 more h.p. is not going to give the GTS an edge. The new Z is a much more well rounded car.

Well rounded? You mean like "daily driveable?" Oh goody, goody for the Vette. Does the new one swallow too?

If you're talking track, it's the Z06 that will still have it's hands full with a skilled SRT driver. The "new" Z06 will still be giving away 50ft of torque to the current Viper. An additional 50HP in the coupe version should piss off enough Vette girls. And if DC comes out with 100 more HP it'll take GM 13 years to catch up...again.

 

[SNKEBIT]

 

[Joseph Dell]

Chucky boy -

you had me on "swallow".

 

[STUGOTS]

You're also gonna be sick of seeing it's tail lights.

50 more h.p. is not going to give the GTS an edge. The new Z is a much more well rounded car.

Well rounded? You mean like "daily driveable?" Oh goody, goody for the Vette. Does the new one swallow too?

If you're talking track, it's the Z06 that will still have it's hands full with a skilled SRT driver. The "new" Z06 will still be giving away 50ft of torque to the current Viper. An additional 50HP in the coupe version should piss off enough Vette girls. And if DC comes out with 100 more HP it'll take GM 13 years to catch up...again.

Well put

 

[Craig 201 MPH]

You're also gonna be sick of seeing it's tail lights.

50 more h.p. is not going to give the GTS an edge. The new Z is a much more well rounded car.

Well rounded? You mean like "daily driveable?" Oh goody, goody for the Vette. Does the new one swallow too?

If you're talking track, it's the Z06 that will still have it's hands full with a skilled SRT driver. The "new" Z06 will still be giving away 50ft of torque to the current Viper. An additional 50HP in the coupe version should piss off enough Vette girls. And if DC comes out with 100 more HP it'll take GM 13 years to catch up...again.

Shorter gears
Lighter
6-piston calipers
dry sump

This car was built for track duty. That is why it is a more well rounded car. And for at least 10K less that will buy a lotta mods!

 

[PhoenixGTS]

I just saw the new Viper Coupe in person at Barrett-Jackson this morning and can report is looks WAY better in person than in pictures. VERY nice. Park that next to a Z06 and the Chevy will be invisible.

 

[Simms]

And for at least 10K less that will buy a lotta mods!

How much modding can you do with 11:1 compression without spending a good amount? Maybe a nitrous, but no forced induction.

 

[Craig 201 MPH]

And for at least 10K less that will buy a lotta mods!

How much modding can you do with 11:1 compression without spending a good amount? Maybe a nitrous, but no forced induction.

Heads/cam

With the RPM this thing is going to be pulling better airflow is going to be NICE!

 

[vviperr]

Not to get off the point, but it will be interesting to see down the road which will be the more collectible car. I watched Barrtett-Jackson last night and there were so many 67 vettes that even the announcers made a joke that when 'one more' came up that this was the first one for sale in the last 15 minutes.

 

[RT10Paul]

third vipers from 10 years ago are worth as much if not more than a brand new vette.

Because Vipers cost a lot more. If you're looking at depreciation, you can't look at it in absolute dollar terms. Current resale value as pecent of original price would be a better measure. That's like saying a 7 year old Enzo (once they are 7 years old ) is worth a lot more than a brand new Viper. Sure, Vipers hold their value much better in the long run but it's because of basically one reason: supply and demand. Fewer available cars, higher demand, better resale value. And DC dealers can't exactly flood the market with Vipers like Chevy can with Corvettes. Remember the Z16 Z06 (LeMans commemorative edition with cf hood)? They were selling for $5,000 over sticker when they first arrived. At the end of the model year run, they were being DISCOUNTED $12,500 off MSRP. Chevy is shooting itself in the foot and pi$$ing off a lot of their clients in the process. I've already seen 2003 Z06 sell for $31,000. That car is worth 62% of its original price after two years. My RT/10 is worth 66% of its original sticker price after 4 years.

 

[STUGOTS]

Paul I will say this I CHANGED my mind about z06's after seeing your vids lol.

I know its a beast and not fair to compare but it DID make me think more of vettes.

 

[Jim Hodel]

I'm not sick of hering about it at all. I think it is going to be THE domestic supercar and challange Europes finest.

I would buy a new Z06 over the so-called new Viper coupe anyday. The new coupe is overweight and ugly. The Z06 is exactly what Dodge should be doing - lighter, better brakes AND more horsepower. It's probably not enough to make me sell my 99 GTS, but you guys sound delusional - almost as bad as Porsche owners. 'It's still a Corvette' What a bunch of crap.

Jim

 

[SnakeBitten]

I'm not sick of hering about it at all. I think it is going to be THE domestic supercar and challange Europes finest.

I would buy a new Z06 over the so-called new Viper coupe anyday. The new coupe is overweight and ugly. The Z06 is exactly what Dodge should be doing - lighter, better brakes AND more horsepower. It's probably not enough to make me sell my 99 GTS, but you guys sound delusional - almost as bad as Porsche owners. 'It's still a Corvette' What a bunch of crap.

Jim

Well said and I concur 110%...Dont understand the hate toward the Z06 threads...Its pretty apparent that GM has built a great car and that opinion is being voiced. Its a much more serious car, technically speaking, than the Viper...Why be mad that the competition has steped up....If you want to be mad, channel it to DC for droping the ball or just wait for the offical specs on the new coupe...Its not the Vettes fault that the Viper may be rendered obsolete..

 

[RT10Paul]

Paul I will say this I CHANGED my mind about z06's after seeing your vids lol.

I know its a beast and not fair to compare but it DID make me think more of vettes.

Stugots, that is one BAD comparison Just kidding. I may seem like I'm flip-flopping back and forth a bit but I like to play the devil's advocate.

To me, it really doesn't matter who makes the fastest car. If it's DC, good. If it's Chevy, that's great. If it's Ford, perfect. I'm not blinded by brand loyalty. I'm just a go-fast car enthusiast and I like to own what appeals to me visually, economically, and performance-wise. If Kia made a 500 hp car that didn't look like a$$, I'd own it. I couldn't care less that "it's only a Kia." It'd be a Kia that kicked your a$$ all over the track. I'm still baffled by "it's still only a Mustang" or "it's still only a Vette" comments. I'm not a totall dumba$$ but I just don't understand what they supposed to mean. Just remember that a Ferrari owner can look down upon a Viper owner and say "It's still just a Viper." What's your response gonna be? It's snobbish and condescending, in my opinion. Not sure where most of you guys are from but in my area the Viper will turn heads but not when it's in the company of high-end Italian exotics.

I'm tired of listening to hype regarless of which manufacturer it's coming from. Any manufacturer can drum up a multi-million dollar ad blitz. You think Chevy sells hype? Sheeeeet. Have you seen the Hemi commercials lately? *** is a Grand Cherokee (a JEEP!!!!)doing with a Hemi? That's not hype? I'm betting my life that 90% of the people out there don't have the slightest f'ing clue as to what Hemi means.

Can a Gen II and Gen III Viper kick the C5 Z06's ass on the drag strip? Absolutely. I've proven it to myself. Can it do the same to the C6 Z06? Nobody knows yet. So, why don't we just settle down and wait until the cars hit the track and figure out then who's the King of the Hill?

 

[Chuck 98 RT/10]

Any manufacturer can drum up a multi-million dollar ad blitz. You think Chevy sells hype? Sheeeeet. Have you seen the Hemi commercials lately? *** is a Grand Cherokee (a JEEP!!!!)doing with a Hemi? That's not hype?

No. That's not hype and neither is a multi-million dollar ad blitz necessarily. I'm talking about GM failing to deliver for 20 years. Remember the pigs of the late 70s? The 80s? When a car like the Corvette doesn't live up to it's awesome heritage but is still promoted like some awesome sports car, that's hype. Even in the 90s they still settled for second best.

Typical GM marketing... (circa 80s)
"Get the powerful 220hp 350 Camero or step up to the ultra performance 350 Corvette with a whopping 240hp!"

No wonder Porsche dominated the 80s.

With the new Z06 it sounds like maybe they have returned to their roots, but I'll wait and see.

I'll never forgive those bastages for killing Pontiac in 1979.