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rcl4668

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Sorry for the recent barrage of newbie questions. I find myself getting up late at night to go out to the garage and just stare at the damn thing. Next thing you know I will start sleeping in the car and calling it (her?) Christine.

At any rate, if I can't drive the car (it's raining pretty heavily here in the Northwest) I can at least plan my next improvement to the car. Which brings me to the question of getting a set or rims and tires for use at the track:

(1) I would like to get a set of rims that present a significant reduction in weight over the stock rims that came with my car, the standard 10-spokers; if possible, I would like to stick with the staggered 19-rear and 18-front wheel sizes so one good option would seem to be the "sidewinder" wheel that was offered on the Copperhead. I seem to recall someone posting that these wheels were almost 10 lbs lighter per wheel than the 10-spokes. Does anyone have any other suggestions for ultra light yest sturdy rims in these sizes for track use?

(2) Whichever rim I go with, I would like to retain the tire pressure monitoring system ("TPMS") functionality. I searched and found a post by member Kai who went through this process of having one set of street and one set of track rims and tires. In essence, it seems like you just need to pay for an extra set of four tire pressure monitoring valve stems and have them installed on the rim/tire assembly. The Viper's pressure monitoring module can evidently handle signals for 8 tire pressure sensors, so one set of four sensors for the track wheels and one set for the street wheels. How much are these sensors? I assume it is not a problem to mount them on an OEM wheel like the sidewinder but has anyone had problems with them on a non-OEM, aftermarkey wheel? Once on, my understanding is that you just need to go to your local Dodge delaer to have them calibrate the new tire/rim/TPMS sensor assembly; and finally

(3) Tires: I would like a tire that I can use for the track but also use on the street in a pinch. I contacted Luke, the high-performance guru at TireRack who quite honestly said that given the need to drive on the street, an R-compound tire like a Hoosier would not be a good choice given that it is essentially a slick and would not perform well in any kind of precipatation. He also said the tire would pick up any debris and sandblast the car. Luke's thought was that there were not a lot of options out there now for good track/street tires but to wait till Spring because there was a chance that the tire manufacturers would be coming out with new 19'' sizes because of the Viper, recent Z06 BMW and Porsche OEM rim sizes. Aside from taking Luke's advice and waiting, does anyone have any ideas for tires? Has anyone used the 19'' 355 width Pirelli PZero Rossos on the track?

Thanks!

/Rich
 

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The new copperhead wheels are (I think) ten pounds lighter for all 4 wheels.

1. I have SSR wheels, but they aren't being made anymore. Your best bet for light weight track worthy wheels are probably Forgelines or CCW wheels. Likely lighter (and less expensive) than the copperhead style OEM wheels.

2. With 8 wheels total, you should be ok with the stock air pressure monitering system. You will need the pressure sensors. I believe that they are about $40 each. Shouldn't be a problem mounting them in aftermarket wheels.

3. There are no 19" tire options currently Your best tire bet is probably the Michelin Pilot Sport Cup in the 18 inch size. The sport cups are very durable and very streetable for a competition tire. Kumho also makes a good street legal competition tire in the 18 inch size, but you will need to get them shaved for track use, or they will "chunk" on you. The Kumhos are a bit stickier than the Sport Cups. The Sport Cups are more durable, and because you can track them at full tread depth, have better wet performance due to the deeper tread.
I've used both. If I owned a trailer, I'd probably go with the Kumhos. For driving to events, I'd likely go with the Sport Cups.

If you go with 18 inch rear wheels, you will need to get an emergency brake relocation kit (call Jon at Partsrack, or the guys at Archer racing.)
 

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I replaced the stock wheels and run-flats on my 05 SRT-10 with the Sidewinder wheels and Pilot Sports (non-runflat). That was good for a total 40 lbs saving. (The Sidewinders saved 32 of that 40 lbs.) There's no point in putting the tire pressure sensors in the race wheels, since if you introduce a new set of sensors, you have to have the monitor reprogrammed to recognize them. Then you'd have to repeat it when you reinstalled the street wheels. The Sidewinder wheels look great, but they're a little pricey for track use.
 

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Any ideas on wheel size for adding a set of drag radials? What fits?
 
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Thanks for the insights. I don't want to do the e-brake relocation so it looks like my current options are aftermarket or OEM sidewinder 18'' front and 19'' rear rims with (1) Michelin Pilot Sport nonrunflats, (2) the Pirelli PZero Rosso nonrunflats, or (3) wait and see what the tire manufacturers offer in 19'' sizes this spring, if anything.

Ron -- Thanks for the weight savings info. 40 lbs from just rims amd tires is impressive. You stated above that "There's no point in putting the tire pressure sensors in the race wheels, since if you introduce a new set of sensors, you have to have the monitor reprogrammed to recognize them. Then you'd have to repeat it when you reinstalled the street wheels." I thought from Kai's post a while ago that the TPMS module had a "memory" for up to 8 TPMS sensors. Thus, once you had the second set calibrated at the dealer the system should remember the sensors, avoiding the need for recalibration each time you swap wheel sets.

Finally, can you post any pics of your SRT-10 roadster with the sidewinder wheels? It must look great.

Kai -- can you weigh in on the recalibraton issue that Ron raised? Thanks.

/Rich
 

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Kai -- can you weigh in on the recalibraton issue that Ron raised? Thanks.

/Rich

I was fine with 8 wheels/tires. I had to get them calibrated initially, but after that, I could swap at will.

The problems started when I added a set of drag radials to the mix, for a total of 10 wheels. The computer couldn't handle 10 id's in its memory, and I got low pressure warnings, etc.
 

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For what it's worth, I've had problems with only eight wheels. I put on four new track tires with sensor and had them "flashed" so that the low pressure sensor would recognize them. They worked great. Then, after a couple weeks and a couple track events, I put back on the stock wheels, drove about around a while and the low pressure indicator came on. I had the stock wheels reflashed and then they too worked great..., but then the track wheels caused the low pressure indicator to go off. Damn. Oh well, I've stuck with the low pressure indicator working with the stock wheels, since they are, after all, run flats and thus not so obviously low on visual inspection alone. It's not really an issue for me, because I check my tire pressure at the track at least once a day anyway, and the low pressure indicator only chimes once when I start up the car and then just indicates "low tire" in the LCD odometer display--it's really easy to ignore.

Even if I could handle eight tires, or even ten tires, I would still have a problem since I rotate (side-to-side) my track tires (Sports Cups are not directional tires), and I think the low-tire sensor system assigns a given sensor to a given corner.
 

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Just my $.02 but...

I wouldn't bother with the sensors for the track wheels as you should be in the habit of carefully monitoring tire pressures when you are at the track with a proper gauge before and after each session anyway... :smirk:

The Forgelines are the best choice for weight savings and looks and race proven durability on the track. We've pounded the snot out of them on the track, banged them up against Corvettes and set track records with them... :buttkick:

They can make them any size you want so you could go to a wider front if you wanted too...

I like the Pirellis the best if you can't do 18" KUMHO's

We saved 78Lb total switching to Forgelines & KUMHO's from stock SRT10 wheels :2tu:

sbw :usa:
 
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Scotty B --

78 lbs is impressive. What wheel/tire configuration do you run? Specifically, what model and size Forgeline wheel and what tire size Pirelli (19'' 18'')?

Thanks for your help.

Given the conflicting information from other posters about using 2 sets of wheels with tire pressure sensors, I am wondering if there is a specific method for calibrating the pressure sensor module to store 8 versus 4 sensors.

/Rich
 

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I know i'm bringing this post back from the grave and hopefully someone will respond to it but just how much better in user experience are the pirelli pzero rosso at a 355 size??? also is there any rubbing that occurs at all??? thanks in advance guys.
 

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Scotty B --

78 lbs is impressive. What wheel/tire configuration do you run? Specifically, what model and size Forgeline wheel and what tire size Pirelli (19'' 18'')?

Thanks for your help.

Sorry I never responded Rich, don't know how I missed it... :eek:

ANyway, for track racing right now we use the Forgeline ZX3R wheels in 18" all around with a 315/35x18 KUMHO V710 tire on them. This is the combination that set both the qualifying AND race lap record at Mid Ohio in T1 in an SRT10 Viper last September at 1:32.0 and 1:33.3 respectively

I would however recomend you run a larger rear tire (335 or 345) and a bit smaller front tire (305) unless you run our exact T1 setup...

The reason for this is because the stock tire stagger front to rear is pretty substantial and the bar and spring rates are set for this so you want to keep a fair amount of that stagger unless you make changes to these chassis parts...

sbw :usa:
 

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Dwag3Snake,

Depending on the size of the drag radials you run, a 12 to 13 x 18 will work. Forgelines are probably the best wheels.

Kai,

SSR Comps are back in production. Call Parts
Rack. I'm told that the color has changed from silver to anthracite, though.

I'd like to find a set of rear SSR comps in silver if anyone has them.

Dan
 

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1) Copperhead Track Wheels $2450/set, 18-19, drilled for runflat sensors !!! See my post and new photos in Supplier Specials.

2) DJ now I have ONE REAR SET of 18" SSR-Comp Silvers. (OR ONE SET OF FOUR.) The rest are anthracite charcoal, and available now, $1995/set of 4 !

3) Rich, NO WORRIES on the E-brake kit. Its a NON EVENT. Why are you not willing to make this insignificant mod? It simply relocates stock parts.

4) Rich, we missed you at PIR last weekend.....you should have at last came out for a Pace Car Ride.....
 
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JonB --

Was this the Cascade driving school? Yeah, I know, missed another one . . . . I was working all weekend . . . dang it.

Hope it was fun.

/Rich
 

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So Scotty, here is the question everyone wants to know. What model, size, and part number wheel and tire would you run on a stock supenssion srt-10 viper. Also why not leave the stupid tire pressure monitoring system ("TPMS")off completely? what good is it when god made pressure gauges. Does it affect the cars computer in any way if you do not install them?
 

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Scotty B --

ANyway, for track racing right now we use the Forgeline ZX3R wheels in 18" all around with a 315/35x18 KUMHO V710 tire on them. This is the combination that set both the qualifying AND race lap record at Mid Ohio in T1 in an SRT10 Viper last September at 1:32.0 and 1:33.3 respectively

sbw :usa:

Guys, the Kumho tires Scotty is running on his SRT-10 are NOT the typical Kumho Ecsta V700 most people use on the street. Scotty did those lap record times using Kumho Ecsta V710 which is basically a slick tire with just 2 grooves to make it DOT legal. No tread lines at all. All the great feedback he's giving is for Kumho V710, the basically slick tire.

I doubt anybody will run the Kumho V710's on the street and if you did they won't last long. The widest they come in 18" size is 315/35-18. Nothing wider than 315 in the 18" size.

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Scotty B --

ANyway, for track racing right now we use the Forgeline ZX3R wheels in 18" all around with a 315/35x18 KUMHO V710 tire on them. This is the combination that set both the qualifying AND race lap record at Mid Ohio in T1 in an SRT10 Viper last September at 1:32.0 and 1:33.3 respectively

sbw :usa:

Guys, the Kumho tires Scotty is running on his SRT-10 are NOT the typical Kumho Ecsta V700 most people use on the street. Scotty did those lap record times using Kumho Ecsta V710 which is basically a slick tire with just 2 grooves to make it DOT legal. No tread lines at all. All the great feedback he's giving is for Kumho V710, the basically slick tire.

I doubt anybody will run the Kumho V710's on the street and if you did they won't last long. The widest they come in 18" size is 315/35-18. Nothing wider than 315 in the 18" size.

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Are you sure?

He says here that he's running the Ecsta 700s in the 305 front & 335 rear widths.

http://vca2.viperclub.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=UBB21&Number=599194&Forum=UBB21&Words=ecsta&Match=Entire%20Phrase&Searchpage=0&Limit=125&Old=allposts&Main=596237&Search=true#Post599194
 

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I was referring to the tires he specifically mentioned in this thread, He said they were using the 315/35-18 Kumho V710 to set record lap times and that's basically a slick tire not the V700's most people use on the street/track.

Scotty B --

ANyway, for track racing right now we use the Forgeline ZX3R wheels in 18" all around with a 315/35x18 KUMHO V710 tire on them. This is the combination that set both the qualifying AND race lap record at Mid Ohio in T1 in an SRT10 Viper last September at 1:32.0 and 1:33.3 respectively

sbw :usa:
 

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Thanks for clearing this matter up. I wish someone would post the correct size wheels and tires complete with model numbers and specs for a stock srt-10 viper.
 
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