adamlotus
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what muscle cars do you guys think will be the next sought after cars in 10 plus years from now.my list is ford gt,corvette zr1,viper,and ford mustang shelby gt500
what muscle cars do you think will be the next sought after
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RevHeat
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Not to diss, but I do not consider the Ford GT and ZR1 a muscle car.
Rev
Rev
Very True real muscle cars have back seats and are typically V8 cars. Most on the list above would be sports cars.
Bruce
adamlotus
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i too think ford gt will top the list but i think the shelby gt500 and gt500kr will be up there also look at what the 67-68s gt500 are getting even in todays times.
Lee
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adamlotus
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thats a good point so far there are about 10,000 gt500 shelbys been build dont know how many 67-68s were built.
Andrew2KRT10
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Actually, if they have power steering, they're not muscle cars.
But I know I'll get blasted with loads of examples to proove that statement wrong.
But I know I'll get blasted with loads of examples to proove that statement wrong.
First Strike
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My 1966 Corvette 427/425 (side exhaust) has power steering, so I guess it's not considered a muscle car. LOL
Bingo Plum.
May not technically be a muscle car but it's the only one retaining it's value now, and surely will go up.
FikseGTS
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Ford GT is already there.....
2006red/whitecoupe
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4000 Ford GT's [2005-2006]were built..... 550 Big Block Cobras were built [ some were 427 ci side oilers and some were 428 ci] in 1966-1967......who ever bought one of the few 620HP 09 Saleen Mustangs have one very expensive car down the road. And I might add that the buy of the year was the individual who stepped up and bought the twin-turbo S-7 at Barrett/Jackson in Jan and is going to make lots of money. GT-500's, Vipers, and ZO 6's will do nothing..too many of em. ACR's [2008-2009] will do very well [ and if have ******** the price will really go up] as will anyone who stepped up to the plate and got the aero package...if you have an 08-09 vert with aero it will do very well. The vultures are circling the few ACR's that are out there; too bad for the "bottom fishers" ; they don't don't have enough brains to pay up and but one.
93 Cobra R
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My picks:
MUSTANG
1984-1993 Saleen
Saleen S351
1987/88 Mustang T-top
1987-1993 GT hatchback
1987-1993 LX sedan SSP Police Interceptor
1993 Cobra
1993 Cobra R (107 built)
1995 Cobra R (250 built)
2000 Cobra R (300 built)
VIPER
1992 RT/10
1996 GTS
1997 GTS gold package
1998 GT2/GTS-R (100 built)
1999 ACR
2002 ACR (159 built)
2002 Final Edition (360 built)
2002 Final Edition & ACR (34 built)
2003+ Competition Coupes & ACRs
MUSTANG
1984-1993 Saleen
Saleen S351
1987/88 Mustang T-top
1987-1993 GT hatchback
1987-1993 LX sedan SSP Police Interceptor
1993 Cobra
1993 Cobra R (107 built)
1995 Cobra R (250 built)
2000 Cobra R (300 built)
VIPER
1992 RT/10
1996 GTS
1997 GTS gold package
1998 GT2/GTS-R (100 built)
1999 ACR
2002 ACR (159 built)
2002 Final Edition (360 built)
2002 Final Edition & ACR (34 built)
2003+ Competition Coupes & ACRs
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Black Mamba 47
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Hemi Charger!!
Kinda biased
Hemi Charger!!
Kinda biased
Why wouldnt you include the 1997 B/W GTS Coupe right in there with the 96? Its a better built car with a lower build number(435) and without all the TSB's as the 96.
I'm thinking the 97 B/W GTS Coupe will be just as sought after down the road as the 96 after time has had its way with them. If this is true, theres the added benefit of being able to pick up a 97 cheaper because presently they arent percieved as being as collectible (?)
What do you guys think? I will be buying one or the other this Fall with the main determining factor being condition (well-maintained, low mileage, unmolested)! But I do want collectibility
Jim
I researched it plenty when I was looking for a Blue/White and '96's were not bringing any more money than '97's with equivelent mileage, in fact less. But being a year newer that would be expected. Can't go wrong with either one. Personally I didn't like the low sheen cast wheels on the '96's either. The '97's are forged, with a brighter shine.
Interestingly, the '98's are also forged, but have an even brighter shine. I have them side by side and it's quite noticable.
Interestingly, the '98's are also forged, but have an even brighter shine. I have them side by side and it's quite noticable.
snakebite52
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03-04 mustang cobra IMO should make the list
Les Quam
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Strictly speaking two seat sports cars of any era such as Corvette's are not considered muscle cars. Cars like that including our Vipers are commonly referred to as high performance super cars or exotic's or simply sports cars. This is not to say they will not appreciate in a the manner muscle cars have in the past.
Of the cars mentioned in this thread the modern Shelbys, Challengers and Camaro's are considered muscle cars. Of those cars in my opinion the stock Shelby GT 500s will hold their value to some degree but the Shelby Mustangs that will appreciate will be the Mustangs produced by the Shelby factory such as the Super Snakes boasting 725 or more HP right from the factory, KRs and to a lessor degree the Shelby GTs. Right now the 425 Challengers and Camaros are not offering packages that in my opinion make them appreciation worthy? If the 556 HP Z28 is built that will surely be collectable as will something like the VIper engine Challenger concept car?
Many modern super cars such as the FGT are already holding there value and in some cases appreciating. Some Viper model years are already appreciating and holding their value. I think the new ZR1 by virtue of its HP will hold its value to some degree.
In regard to the production numbers for the early Shelby Mustangs and note they are not commonly referred to as "Cobra's" as that term is reserved for the 62-67 AC Cobra's. Here they are.
1965 Shelby GT 350 Mustangs: 37 R model race versions, 4 drag cars and 525 street cars.
1966 Shelby GT 350 Mustangs: 2380 standard fastbacks, 1438 Hertz fastbacks and 6 GT 350 convertibles, 4 drag cars. I think 11 GT 350s were supercharged? All used the 289 Hi PO engine.
1967 Shelby Mustangs: 1175 GT 350 fastbacks and 2050 GT 500 fastbacks with the 428 dual quad police interceptor motor which is different from the later 428. One 427 Supersnake was sold with the side oiler engine from the factory. Two more were added by the Shelby factory post title and tons more by dealerships. But only one is considered to be the "Supersnake". This Supersnake recently changed hands for 1.5 million and is now owned by a collector in Iowa who also owns one of the 4 1966 GT 350 drag cars of which only three out of the four survive. A 67 Shelby GT 500 convertible recently sold but some controversy exists over its history. But Carroll Shelby has vouched for its authenticity so that should be the final word? It is considered the only 67 Shelby Mustang convert.
1968 Shelby Mustangs: GT 350 fastbacks 1253, 404 GT 350 convertibles with the 302 motor which is not the same as the later Boss 302 engines. GT 500 fastbacks 1140, 402 GT 500 convertibles both with the old 428 but did not have dual quads. 933 GT 500 KR fastbacks and 318 GT 500 KR convertibles were built with the new 428 introduced in April 1968 which later powered all the Mach 1s etc etc and was a single carb engine.
1969 Shelby mustangs: 1085 GT 350 fastbacks with the 351 Windsor motor, 194 GT 350 convertibles. 1536 GT 500 fastbacks and 335 convertibles both with the 428 motor with single carbs. The 1970 Shelby Mustangs were carryovers from 69 with stripes added to the hood and a front valence to visually disntinguish them. 315 GT 500 fastbacks and 286 convertibles were built.
In regard to what muscle cars are the most valuable the best book written on the subject in my opinion was called "Million Dollar Muscle Cars" authored by Colin Comer. Available on ebay or amazon.com. Colin is a huge Viper fan and supporter and has owned several.
Of the cars mentioned in this thread the modern Shelbys, Challengers and Camaro's are considered muscle cars. Of those cars in my opinion the stock Shelby GT 500s will hold their value to some degree but the Shelby Mustangs that will appreciate will be the Mustangs produced by the Shelby factory such as the Super Snakes boasting 725 or more HP right from the factory, KRs and to a lessor degree the Shelby GTs. Right now the 425 Challengers and Camaros are not offering packages that in my opinion make them appreciation worthy? If the 556 HP Z28 is built that will surely be collectable as will something like the VIper engine Challenger concept car?
Many modern super cars such as the FGT are already holding there value and in some cases appreciating. Some Viper model years are already appreciating and holding their value. I think the new ZR1 by virtue of its HP will hold its value to some degree.
In regard to the production numbers for the early Shelby Mustangs and note they are not commonly referred to as "Cobra's" as that term is reserved for the 62-67 AC Cobra's. Here they are.
1965 Shelby GT 350 Mustangs: 37 R model race versions, 4 drag cars and 525 street cars.
1966 Shelby GT 350 Mustangs: 2380 standard fastbacks, 1438 Hertz fastbacks and 6 GT 350 convertibles, 4 drag cars. I think 11 GT 350s were supercharged? All used the 289 Hi PO engine.
1967 Shelby Mustangs: 1175 GT 350 fastbacks and 2050 GT 500 fastbacks with the 428 dual quad police interceptor motor which is different from the later 428. One 427 Supersnake was sold with the side oiler engine from the factory. Two more were added by the Shelby factory post title and tons more by dealerships. But only one is considered to be the "Supersnake". This Supersnake recently changed hands for 1.5 million and is now owned by a collector in Iowa who also owns one of the 4 1966 GT 350 drag cars of which only three out of the four survive. A 67 Shelby GT 500 convertible recently sold but some controversy exists over its history. But Carroll Shelby has vouched for its authenticity so that should be the final word? It is considered the only 67 Shelby Mustang convert.
1968 Shelby Mustangs: GT 350 fastbacks 1253, 404 GT 350 convertibles with the 302 motor which is not the same as the later Boss 302 engines. GT 500 fastbacks 1140, 402 GT 500 convertibles both with the old 428 but did not have dual quads. 933 GT 500 KR fastbacks and 318 GT 500 KR convertibles were built with the new 428 introduced in April 1968 which later powered all the Mach 1s etc etc and was a single carb engine.
1969 Shelby mustangs: 1085 GT 350 fastbacks with the 351 Windsor motor, 194 GT 350 convertibles. 1536 GT 500 fastbacks and 335 convertibles both with the 428 motor with single carbs. The 1970 Shelby Mustangs were carryovers from 69 with stripes added to the hood and a front valence to visually disntinguish them. 315 GT 500 fastbacks and 286 convertibles were built.
In regard to what muscle cars are the most valuable the best book written on the subject in my opinion was called "Million Dollar Muscle Cars" authored by Colin Comer. Available on ebay or amazon.com. Colin is a huge Viper fan and supporter and has owned several.
triplexotica
Viper Owner
If anyone knows this subject well it would be Les!
adamlotus
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i too think fgt will be the most sought after and highest holding value.but i do think also the shelby gt500s will be sought after also and ofcourse the kr models.the cars that are the most sought after are cudas,challengers,67 vettes and 67 gt500 shelbys,so i think those same cars will be the same ones and leading the pack will be the fgt, ended up getting anew shelby gt500 last week great car for the money .
Les Quam
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The interesting question for the future of the current Shelby Mustangs is whether the GT 500s will be less in value than the Mustangs Shelby actually converts from his factory such as KRs, Supersnakes, GTs etc?
Case in point for 08 and 09. Ford shipped Mustangs directly to Shelby for conversion into KRs. Subsequently for 2010 Ford which badges the GT 500s as Shelby's but are in reality SVT type cars duplicated most everything found on the 08 and 09 KRs with the exception of the hood and sells them for a heck of a lot less. For todays buyer why pay up for the KR when you get most everything in terms of performance for much less? In the distant future will the Shelby badged cars be worth less than the Shelby converted cars? I think the answer is yes? Anything the Shelby factory actually converts in my opinion will bring less than the Mustangs with the Shelby badge affixed to them.
Which raises the larger qustion if the Viper is in fact sold will the new Vipers sold by the new owner be worth less than the "Dodge" Vipers? Will the new company's Vipers devalue the old Dodge built cars??? Would a Saleen Viper be worth less than a Dodge Viper?
What about if Dodge keeps the rights to the Viper engine(or buys them from the new owner) and installs them in Challengers will that hurt the Vipers value? Would anyone on this board not buy a Challenger with a 600 HP Viper motor in it? Sounds like an instant classic muscle car to me? A car with a back seat to take the whole family out for a crusie night?
Case in point for 08 and 09. Ford shipped Mustangs directly to Shelby for conversion into KRs. Subsequently for 2010 Ford which badges the GT 500s as Shelby's but are in reality SVT type cars duplicated most everything found on the 08 and 09 KRs with the exception of the hood and sells them for a heck of a lot less. For todays buyer why pay up for the KR when you get most everything in terms of performance for much less? In the distant future will the Shelby badged cars be worth less than the Shelby converted cars? I think the answer is yes? Anything the Shelby factory actually converts in my opinion will bring less than the Mustangs with the Shelby badge affixed to them.
Which raises the larger qustion if the Viper is in fact sold will the new Vipers sold by the new owner be worth less than the "Dodge" Vipers? Will the new company's Vipers devalue the old Dodge built cars??? Would a Saleen Viper be worth less than a Dodge Viper?
What about if Dodge keeps the rights to the Viper engine(or buys them from the new owner) and installs them in Challengers will that hurt the Vipers value? Would anyone on this board not buy a Challenger with a 600 HP Viper motor in it? Sounds like an instant classic muscle car to me? A car with a back seat to take the whole family out for a crusie night?
Kmrumedy
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I'm hoping it will be a 1971 Dart *******....eh................... no reason.....
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Chopper
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I agree. I have a 6k 03.
Really, it is anyone's guess. I am banking on the Saleen 351Rs being the real sleepers of the group too but the Ford GTs will most certainly top this list. It only talkes one stupid Fast and Furious movie to push certain cars that should not be big collectors to collectors. Just look at the whole Eleanor thing.
Vipers will most definitley make the list. Just look at the old Cobras. They could not give those away back in 1968. Same thing happening now with Viper. It's time will come to those that are patient. In the meantime, drive it and take care of it.
Vipers will most definitley make the list. Just look at the old Cobras. They could not give those away back in 1968. Same thing happening now with Viper. It's time will come to those that are patient. In the meantime, drive it and take care of it.
Les Quam
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You are 100% right about Shelby and his dealers not being able to move his Cobra's when new and slightly used. That applied to a lot of the high perfromance icons of that era. There was a reason Chrysler only built about 14 HEMI Cuda's in 1970.... Nobody wanted them. There was a reason Don Yenko only sold 64 1968 Yenko Camaro's with the 427 in 1968 nobody else wanted them etc etc etc.
They couldn't give away the 65 GT 350 Shelby Mustangs either people found them to unrefined and uncomfortable.
The Viper is unprecedented in so many ways and with a huge loyal following fueled by the best car club in history(VCA) it is a can't miss appreciating collectible that can be driven and enjoyed now and for years to come. No other car ever built with possible the exception of the AC Cobra drives and feels like a Viper. Vette's, FGT, Porsche Ferrari obviously are all supercars but none of them have the raw uncompromised power of the Viper. In the years to come people will look back and ask how we ever drove these high HP cars without the electronic driver aids found in the other supercars. We will look like caveman to them.
They couldn't give away the 65 GT 350 Shelby Mustangs either people found them to unrefined and uncomfortable.
The Viper is unprecedented in so many ways and with a huge loyal following fueled by the best car club in history(VCA) it is a can't miss appreciating collectible that can be driven and enjoyed now and for years to come. No other car ever built with possible the exception of the AC Cobra drives and feels like a Viper. Vette's, FGT, Porsche Ferrari obviously are all supercars but none of them have the raw uncompromised power of the Viper. In the years to come people will look back and ask how we ever drove these high HP cars without the electronic driver aids found in the other supercars. We will look like caveman to them.
Les;
They might even ask how did we drive it without pluggin it in every night? Then again the wife and I went out for ice cream the other night (any excuse to drive the Viper lately) and some skate boarders were outside of the parlor listening to something (dunno what), but the hook in the song was clearly a Van Halen riff. I pointed that out to them but none of them had even heard of Van Halen. Guess they were not Guitar Hero players. I probably looked like a caveman to them now and I am only 35. Ha! Ha!
They might even ask how did we drive it without pluggin it in every night?
Then again the wife and I went out for ice cream the other night (any excuse to drive the Viper lately) and some skate boarders were outside of the parlor listening to something (dunno what), but the hook in the song was clearly a Van Halen riff. I pointed that out to them but none of them had even heard of Van Halen. Guess they were not Guitar Hero players. I probably looked like a caveman to them now and I am only 35. Ha! Ha!Abe Froman
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Anything with the "Shelby" name or cataloged/listed in the Shelby Registry will bring Mucho Dinero. I know two (2) enthusiasts who collect “Shelby Branding", the car just comes with the Brand.
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