pulled trigger on the CC cam

[Twister]

Talked to the dodge dealership service rep today and he told me that he would knock the price from $2100 plus tax to $2000 OTD ( out the door taxes and all)....

I also talked to him about degreeing the comp coup cam and he said that the cam comes along with a timing chain and that it will be degreed to competition coupe specs...

Load of BS or real deal..I dont know...

Ill have to go check out some mopar part numbers to see if this really exist ( as he explained it to me as not just a camshaft but a "kit" in order for everything to be perfect....

Unfortunatly I wont be able to dyno the car prior to having the CC cam installed...

I was 459/492 with KN filters and arrow roller rockers. But since added cat/muffler delete and beleave I am now around 470 rwhp SAE from drag strip improvement over the 459 rwhp of 1.5 tenths and 1.5 mph....

I will be able to go do 1/4 mile testing with the CC cam as the only addittional mod and tell you what happens

 

[Viper Specialty]

you're quite brave... they fed you a load of BS.

A CC cam does NOT come with any timing components. You need to stop dealing with a dealer and start dealing with someone who has a clue what they are doing.

Do I have to post a picture of the lone box the camshaft comes in stamped with the part number?

 

[RedEnuf93]

Sounds like a disaster waiting to happen....

I hope it is not a Neon mechanic working on your car also. Why not use someone who KNOW'S the Vipers and specific parts?

Cams comes usually in a LOOONG skinny box. No room for gears or chain. PS. Cam DOES NOT come with chain...
Chain cannot be purchased separately. The timing chain comes WITH gears...

I would ask and demand my old timing chain and gears back, with the cam....

 

[Joseph Dell]

So what are the specs on the CC cam that make it desirable?

JD

 

[plumcrazy]

what final GTS said....

 

[Viper Specialty]

So what are the specs on the CC cam that make it desirable?

JD

The exact same desireability of a 96-99 cam over a 00+.

However, when installed CORRECTLY (yes, even 96-99 cars are a "dart+dartboard scenario) it will make some pretty decent gains and wake up mods much more than the stock cams... and they sound GREAT.

There are certainly more aggressive cams out there, but for completely stock like driveability with no misfire issues, great sound and decent "out of the box" gains, its worth its cost.

 

[Joseph Dell]

The exact same desireability of a 96-99 cam over a 00+.

However, when installed CORRECTLY (yes, even 96-99 cars are a "dart+dartboard scenario) it will make some pretty decent gains and wake up mods much more than the stock cams... and they sound GREAT.

There are certainly more aggressive cams out there, but for completely stock like driveability with no misfire issues, great sound and decent "out of the box" gains, its worth its cost.

you mean 6 degrees of overlap? that's it??? dang!

 

[V10SpeedLuvr]

The exact same desireability of a 96-99 cam over a 00+.

Random question--do I have the 708 cam? My car is a 96', but its a Gen 1 96' as compared to the 96' Gen 2 GTS

 

[99 R/T 10]

Random question--do I have the 708 cam? My car is a 96', but its a Gen 1 96' as compared to the 96' Gen 2 GTS

No you don't have a 708, BUT you can put one in your car and wake it up! Go here:
International Viper Registry

At the bottom of the page is the cam specs for all Gen I/II years.

 

[Viper Specialty]

you mean 6 degrees of overlap? that's it??? dang!

Duration is also likely slightly different... but since I havent seen any stock durations listed measured in any way except Dodge's internal system, I cant compare it to the CC cam, which I do know @ .050"

 

[Twister]

Yes..I had the 708 cam in my 99 rt10..Hit 410 rwhp SAE dead stock..

That stock cam was lumpier than my 224/224 cammed C5..And i miss it..

Somthing tells me that the stock cam in my SRT10 is even more mild than the 2000-2002 cams..

I went and looked up the parts. It seems theyre is an SRT10 timing chain available thats listed right under the race cam or CC cam or 708 cam ( kinda funny that the same cam goes by THREE differant names) eighter way i beleave this is what he was referring too..

I just gotta beleave that for 2 G's 400 is for the cam and 300 is for the timing chain and the other 1300 is for the install...

And yes i will ask for my factory parts to be returned in case I ever sell and the owner prefers stock ( as well insurance that it is what it is...

And yes a viper tech at a major Chrysler dealership is doing my work...

For 2 g's I could have done a DC tune...Xmetal throttle body..installed them my self and kept a grand for somthing else..

But thats just it. If i didnt do the CC cam now then i would have never done it..2G's for probally 10 rwhp just dosent sound good in comparison to 1 grand for the DC tune/Xmetal throttle body and 20 rwhp....

But I DESPERATLY want 500 rwhp NA before i add a paxton...I think the CC cam + DC tune + xmetal throttle body + belanger headers ( and my current roller rockers/KN's/cat delete/muffler delete) will do it for me....

Like I said..Im just waiting on the parts and install now..Probally a weak and ill go dyno and do some 1/4 mile passes..

Ran 11.9 at 122 with KN's and arrow roller rockers

ran 11.7 at 124 with KN's arrow roller rockers cat/muffler delete

11.5-11.6 at 124-126 with the CC cam would be nice..We'll see

 

[Viper Specialty]

I went and looked up the parts. It seems theyre is an SRT10 timing chain available thats listed right under the race cam or CC cam or 708 cam ( kinda funny that the same cam goes by THREE differant names) eighter way i beleave this is what he was referring too..

I just gotta beleave that for 2 G's 400 is for the cam and 300 is for the timing chain and the other 1300 is for the install...

And yes i will ask for my factory parts to be returned in case I ever sell and the owner prefers stock ( as well insurance that it is what it is...

And yes a viper tech at a major Chrysler dealership is doing my work...

That right there is going to make this a bad call. You are trusting your car to a dealership who has NO IDEA what they are doing in the performance aspect of this car, nor is there even a technical manual they could look at for what they are about to do that would even pertain to your car!

I would also like to see where you are seeing an adjustable timing chain set LISTED for a Gen-3? It may be under the parts, but look at the years- I bet its the wrong application. The cost is meaningless... there are a dozen other costs in your project that are buried in there. Oil change? coolant? gaskets? wear items? 100's of bucks right there.

Please, do this the right way, or dont do it at all. I hate to see people flush money down the toilet because they didnt take the extra initiative to MAKE SURE it was the right path being walked down. If you drop that car off and rely on a dealership to do this work, you are asking for it. How are YOU going to know if it was degreed or not once its together? How are YOU going to know if there is even an adjustable timing chain in the car? Thats right, and they know that too. These timing chains ARE NOT PLUG AND PLAY!!!!!!!!!!!! Hell, the markings for Gen-3 arent even right! Do you think the dealership knows that- or even what to do about it? This is a complicated job- even *IF* I sent you a timing set that was re-marked for a Gen-3.


Call me a pessimest, but I have spent just a little too much time in dealerships to think any other way- and its also how I refuse to treat my customers. There are ONLY two possible outcomes here:

1. They are going to half-ass it, not degree it, and you arent going to get what you paid for.
2. They are going to attempt to degree it, be completely lost in doing so, and its going to end up wrong, or back to stock.


OK, I have said my piece at this point. I dont know why you dont seem to be putting more weight on what people on this forum are saying- we arent telling you this for our health. Some of us do this for a living, and have done many of these, and know full well exactly what the dealership is going to do wrong- we've been there already or seen it already... and you are doing the same, but relying on people who arent equipped to even figure out they have a problem in the first place, nor care enough to look for it.

 

[29OUTLAW]

Do you have to remove the #1 cylinder head to properly degree the cam shaft?

 

[SylvanSRT]

twister take Daniel-final gts' advice about this issue he has NOTHING gain by giving you this info, You are about to let the dealer do this kind of work, have they EVER done this to a Viper before or any car for that matter, I doubt it!! You are about to let them mess with the internals of a $15,000 engine and spend $2,000 to do the work, sound like you are head strong and have really not thought this out, and are moving forward on it anyway, GOODLUCK

Do you have a baseline chassis dyno done already(if not get one) to compare the before and after or are you just gonna use the butt dyno.


there is lots of very good advice you can get on this site, and lots of it for free~!! is the advice from the dealer your using free(no), YOU are paying for it and i am also guessing they are not going to warranty the work they do, along with the fact you are going to potentally seriously compromise you stock 7/70 powertrain warranty. again GOODLUCK

 

[Twister]

No it is all under warranty and will continue to be warrantied..

They're is only 1 Viper tech on my island and that is were my car is..

As well , so far Ive been very impressed with this dealership..I have after market arrow racing roller rockers that were installed by dodge...They broke...And this dealership ordered me a new set from arrow at no cost to me and is installing them at no cost to me. They even went and found other things that were wrong with the car and fixed them for me ( anti lock brake sensor)....

So in short Ive been impressed thus far. They say they do 20-30 vipers a month ( as they are the only place that has a Viper tech on my island of 1.5 people)

It's done now. All I can do is hope for the best. Ill have a dyno and track times as soon as it's done....

Thanks for the advice guys....

I hit 459/492 SAE with the roller rockers and KN's...

If I hit 475 PLUS with roller rockers Kn's cat/muffler delete and the CC cam Ill mark it up as a succes....Anything below 475 means the CC cam gave me next to nonthing and I was a fool...

 

[Viperless]

Do you have to remove the #1 cylinder head to properly degree the cam shaft?

No. I find it easier to degree a cam with the head on anyway.

 

[RedEnuf93]

They're is only 1 Viper tech on my island and that is were my car is.....

Island?

Where are you living? If it is Long Island, for use Chuck Tator...

Oh, never mind, i just realised that your in Hawaii, no Chuck... Bummer.

 

[ViperTony]

Island?

Where are you living? If it is Long Island, for use Chuck Tator...

Oh, never mind, i just realised that your in Hawaii, no Chuck... Bummer.

He could fly Chuck out to Hawaii first class and put him up for a week. I'm sure Chuck won't mind.

 

[Lee00blacksilverGTS]

Island, as in Hawaii, I think his choices are limited guys.

 

[Twister]

Island, as in Hawaii, I think his choices are limited guys.

Thanks man...That sums it up...No Viper shops but we do have ONE Viper tech...So thats were the car is