CAAP: When does it come back online to begin producing 2015s?

[WANTED]

Chevy has done a good job on the performance of Z06 to match power numbers of the Gen 5 (even if the Z06 needs a supercharger! ) But the back of all the Corvettes looks exactly like a Camaro. There will be thousands of these CORVETTE/CAMARO hybrids built, including some Z06s. Most with automatics for the crowd that can't drive a stick. So much for exclusivity!

Well I can drive a stick and drive by the seat of my pants, check drag times .com, 2002 rt/10. get your gen V against me driving a corvette/camaro and I promise you will remember that arss for a long long time. now please save the . do me a favor and post your best 1/4 mile time, then post your so I can post this

 

[kratedisease]

Just a unrelated side note regarding pricing and discounts.

Cars.com has 990 2014 NEW unsold corvettes listed , ( 2015 are now being assembled) and some dealers are offering $7000 off sticker.

Interesting. Not the same dynamic since Corvette in 2014 is a sales success, but still interesting.

 

[Texas1]

Corvette...Corvette...Corvette...aaaahhhh look another Corvette...yawn!!! Enjoy your new Corvette (or Camaro)...lol!!! Not all buy Vipers to drag race or track. I bought mine because the car is a work of art, exclusive, & has plenty of power for me (my personal opinion of course).

 

[Jack B]

The run is on UTUBE. No dis, however, your posts are like Ground Hog day. All you do is repeat the same names and places. Personally, I would be embarrassed to repeat the same dribble so many times.

look at the title of the thread, does your rant have anything to do with the OP'S original question?

Bone stock in a Viper on stock tires .If they were DRAG RADIALS or the car was MODDED IN ANY WAY it dont count Iam not being negative iam being realistic .For the past 20 years i have an extensive drag racing background involving all STOCK PRODUCTION AMERICAN CARS including providing cars for magazine tests when needed .My Gen 4 Viper still has has the fastest published time on record and that only ran an 11.2 .My Gen 2 for years was one of the fastest NA Vipers in the country on pump gas If you got a 10.85 on totally STOCK Viper running STOCK TIRES you missed your calling .Say the word ill get you an interview with McMullen Argus Publications to drive for them (Iam pretty sure you could subcontract for one of the big 3 also ) Any driver that can easily beat Jamie Furman ,Evan Smith should be paid as between the two of them they hold virtually ever quarter mile record in the book for stock American cars on stock tires.(The past 20 years all generations Vetts, Vipers, Mustangs, Ford GT ) Jim Campasano is the managing editor for Muscle Mustang Fast Ford,Super Chevy ,Mopar Perf Illust ,GM Hi tech Campy no doubt will be interested in any driver that can beat Evan Smiths time by close to 4 tenths car for car. Jack Rousch would also be interested as Smith won his class in last years One Lap of America driving for Rousch. John Coletti (former head of Ford Svt and the father of the Ford GT )does freelance work he may look your way as well.

 

[SRT10]

Well I can drive a stick and drive by the seat of my pants, check drag times .com, 2002 rt/10. get your gen V against me driving a corvette/camaro and I promise you will remember that arss for a long long time. now please save the . do me a favor and post your best 1/4 mile time, then post your so I can post this

BAAH..Ha..Ha.. "check drag times .com"...your joking! Right? " I would like nothing more then to see the viper be what it was when I bought my first one" 13 years ago! !!!! Like FREE2go said "three things come to mind: toupee, gold chain, and pornstache" !!! Have fun in your Z06/Corvette/Camaro hybrid. It will look good parked next to your IROC Z-28!

 

[Lawrenzo]

So, has the factory come back on line yet?

 

[1BADGTS]

Let's face it, the performance numbers are close. So close that the driver makes the difference. Why even argue. When you strip away the numbers, all that remains are the looks. Years ago I was online looking for a sports car in my budget. My wife walked in and said "hey baby, if you get a Corvette I'm not going to talk to you". That's really what we are talking about here....why settle for a Vette when for a few extra bucks you can drive a Viper.

You guys still dont understand iam trying to tell you iam PRIVY to the numbers and pro driver to pro driver its not close

 

[1BADGTS]

The run is on UTUBE. No dis, however, your posts are like Ground Hog day. All you do is repeat the same names and places. Personally, I would be embarrassed to repeat the same dribble so many times.

look at the title of the thread, does your rant have anything to do with the OP'S original question?

CAPP may never come back( what planet are you on ) To facilitate sales - unload 2 year old cars they had to give tens of thousands in rebates . Its near Dec maybe they can start producing 2015 in 2016 which would go well with the hundreds of 2013 still on dealer lots Why would Dodge want to WASTE more money by reopening CAAP Whether you realize it or not selling Vipers is actually a business to Chrysler-Dodge

 

[1BADGTS]

The only problem with your theory is that Dodge already produced an ACR variant for SEMA which, with a few tweaks can be produced and sold without recertification. The car at SEMA, even with a few tweaks, if run at the Ring would beat the record currently held by the Gen IV ACR. So, assume they produce a limited edition of 50 or 100 of them with the same tires used on the new Z06 or their Pirelli equivalent. We know those tires produce far better grip on a road course. SRT already tested a TA with them. That would not cost Dodge much at all. Same drivetrain. Less weight. Much better aero. Much better tires. Probably with a new suspension tune.

And, if Dodge also finally releases an off road open code controller for sale through MOPAR to those who are track rats, many members here are going to be very happy.

Bob you saw a car WITH BOLT ONS .For the 50th time i have the Perf numbers FOR THE NEW Z06 AND BOLT ONS TO A GEN 5 IN THE FORM OF AN ACR AINT GOING TO CATCH THAT VETTE .The reason its bolt ons (again for the 50th time )is theres no money to do anything signifigant. MARKETING is telling SRT that by offering cheap fixes(ACR PACKAGE ) its a way to move inventory. Bob what track rats are you referring to theres 1500 Gen 5s in the world.Out of that 1500 less than 5% will ever take the car on a track .Do you really think Dodge gives a damn about 75 or so people that are going to roadrace the thing(I take that back you might think that ) All last year dealers were going nuts on their zone reps (coupon )because they were spending thousands of dollars per year in floorplan for 2 year old cars they couldnt sell without losing tens of thousands of dollars It really wasnt Dodges main focus to release a controller for 75 people

 

[1BADGTS]

I have been reading this thread from the start and i MUST AGREE with 1BADGTS ! I love Vipers and have owned many, however, its not the car it used to be. I see this word being used here, exclusivity, way to often. With all the trim options and color options for the viper of course they are exclusive, DA. The new Z06 will be VERY EXCLUSIVE . There will be less Z06's then the total Viper production for the given year. I like real numbers and the VETTE does just that, delivers the numbers. I must say for the most of you being car guys not liking the new vette just makes me laugh. The new vette is awesome in design plus backs it up with performance numbers, really whats not to like about that if you really are a car guy. Man up and give credit when credit is due. I will say the same for the Viper when dodge delivers at the price point they are at because right now their not even close. I would like nothing more then to see the viper be what it was when I bought my first one, dont think it will happen but I never say never. Dodge, do what GM did to the Vette to the viper and i promise to be a buyer.

Wanted if you look back my buddy in marketing gave me the heads up on the coupon MONTHS before it came out .I posted it and of course everyone that paid near sticker for their Gen 5 was in BIG TIME DENIAL-EXCUSES (that will never happen ect ect )Now my magazine buddys who ran the Z06 months ago are telling me NOTHING ever produced in this country can touch the thing and its not close Again BIG TIME DENIAL EXCUSES to the point of being absurd . Rule number one in life( esp cars-racing)_ is the guy with the BIGGEST CHECKBOOK WINS .The checkbook for that VETTE is as big as they come(every piece of state of the art tech is in that car ) Also in regards to the ACR (same guy in marketing )is saying if there is an ACR its a CHEAP -EASY way to move units .Nothing major can be done because of the dollar involved (To put a KN Air filter on the car would cost Dodge 500 k to get the motor recert).Watch someone will ask if that means no supercharger ECT lol Ps Personally (as per the many i have owned )i love the car .But any educated car guy out there (as per the sales )will tell you no way in HELL is a Gen 5 worth the MSRP

 

[Lawrenzo]

The first Z06 tests are in, and they don't appear to be otherworldly to me-

2015 Chevrolet Corvette Z06 First Test - Motor Trend All Pages

Tested Manual
Price: $105,210
Weight: 3533
0-60: 3.2
0-100: 7.2
Quarter: 11.3@126.2
60-0: 91 feet
Skidpad: 1.16g
Figure 8: 22.5@0.98g
Road Atlanta 2.5 Mile: 1:30.17

"Considering the capability of the optional tires, brakes, and aerodynamics, we were surprised to hear that when Pobst pulled back into the pits after his fourth lap, it wasn't because he wanted to stop. The car had flashed an oil-temperature warning on the back straight."


2015 Chevrolet Corvette Z06 Full Test – Review – Car and Driver

Tested Automatic
Price: $97,595
Weight: 3558
0-60: 3.0
5-60: 3.2
0-100: 6.8
0-160: 22.9
Quarter: 11.1@127
70-0: 128 feet
Skidpad: 1.19g

Tested Manual
0-60: 3.4
Quarter: 11.5@126
70-0: 139
Skidpad: 1.12g
No idea why the braking and skidpad were off. Engine apparently through a code too.

For Comparison, 2014 TA:
Price: $116,000 (I'd assume ~101,000 since the price drop?)
Weight: 3332
0-60: 3.3
Quarter: 11.3@129.3
60-0: 94 feet
skidpad: 1.10g
Figure 8: 22.9 @ 0.95g

 

[1BADGTS]

Chevy has done a good job on the performance of Z06 to match power numbers of the Gen 5 (even if the Z06 needs a supercharger! ) But the back of all the Corvettes looks exactly like a Camaro. There will be thousands of these CORVETTE/CAMARO hybrids built, including some Z06s. Most with automatics for the crowd that can't drive a stick. So much for exclusivity!

I hate to break this to you (being from NJ and all )but manual trannys in supercars are just about obsolue Every high end super car in the world uses an automatic tranny because even the best drivers cant shift as fast as the new paddle type auto (I dont think you can even order a stick in a FERRARI anymore ).As per the Vette the Auto Tranny is said to be so good that it enables the car to be over 5ths faster in the quarter mile than a PRO DRIVER using the manny.Viper doesnt use auto because a manny is better Viper uses a manny because theres no money in the budget to develop such a trans

 

[1BADGTS]

The first Z06 tests are in, and they don't appear to be otherworldly to me-

2015 Chevrolet Corvette Z06 First Test - Motor Trend All Pages

Tested Manual
Price: $105,210
Weight: 3533
0-60: 3.2
0-100: 7.2
Quarter: 11.3@126.2
60-0: 91 feet
Skidpad: 1.16g
Figure 8: 22.5@0.98g
Road Atlanta 2.5 Mile: 1:30.17

"Considering the capability of the optional tires, brakes, and aerodynamics, we were surprised to hear that when Pobst pulled back into the pits after his fourth lap, it wasn't because he wanted to stop. The car had flashed an oil-temperature warning on the back straight."


2015 Chevrolet Corvette Z06 Full Test – Review – Car and Driver

Tested Automatic
Price: $97,595
Weight: 3558
0-60: 3.0
5-60: 3.2
0-100: 6.8
0-160: 22.9
Quarter: 11.1@127
70-0: 128 feet
Skidpad: 1.19g

Tested Manual
0-60: 3.4
Quarter: 11.5@126
70-0: 139
Skidpad: 1.12g
No idea why the braking and skidpad were off. Engine apparently through a code too.

For Comparison, 2014 TA:
Price: $116,000 (I'd assume ~101,000 since the price drop?)
Weight: 3332
0-60: 3.3
Quarter: 11.3@129.3
60-0: 94 feet
skidpad: 1.10g
Figure 8: 22.9 @ 0.95g

LOL you cant possibly try to compare data from one mag to another for a million reasons (.Test procedures, track temp ,and most importantly DRIVER ABILITY) .All cars must be compared SAME DAY SAME TRACK SAME DRIVER. If one car was tested in Nevada in 90 heat by a so so driver and another tested at a sea level track on the East Coast by a great driver the data could be 6tenths or more different. Example Gen 2 Viper Motor Trend tested the car in Calif and ran 12.2 at 115 Mopar Perform Illust tested the car at Englishtown NJ and ran 11.7 at 118 . Gen 4 Viper Car Driver tested the car and ran 11.6 at 126 Muscle Mustang and Fast Ford tested the car and ran 11.2 at 130 Not only that you need to read the test Manny numbers only used.Overall performance of the car EXCEEDS ANYTHING YOU CAN POSSIBLY BY UNDER 1MILLION DOLLARS

 

[Chelseasnake]

going to try to get this thread back on track. the viper plant is building cars now.

 

[Bobpantax]

I am surprised no one has commented on the MSRP of the test cars as equipped. They are more expensive than a Dodge Viper SRT which is just as fast as the Z06 stick version if not faster. And you will not have to worry about an oil overheat light going on in the Viper or your car being confused for one that cost 50% less.


Glad to read that the Viper plant has reopened. Semper Viper!

 

[kratedisease]

I have to agree with Lorenzo on this one. I have to hand it to 1BADGTS that he had insider info on the coupon rebate or price drop,
But from what 1BADGTS was writing on this thread I was expecting the numbers tested on the Corvette Z06 to be much much much better than what was published. I was assuming that 1/4 would be in the high 10's as per the hype of 1BADGTS.

Sorry but the performance advantage is not as clear or as great as the hype. The reviews on the Z06 all rave about the Handling more so than the numbers as I see it.

I actually thought the corvette would trump the viper. Initial reviews are not indicating this.

The first Z06 tests are in, and they don't appear to be otherworldly to me-

2015 Chevrolet Corvette Z06 First Test - Motor Trend All Pages

Tested Manual
Price: $105,210
Weight: 3533
0-60: 3.2
0-100: 7.2
Quarter: 11.3@126.2
60-0: 91 feet
Skidpad: 1.16g
Figure 8: 22.5@0.98g
Road Atlanta 2.5 Mile: 1:30.17

"Considering the capability of the optional tires, brakes, and aerodynamics, we were surprised to hear that when Pobst pulled back into the pits after his fourth lap, it wasn't because he wanted to stop. The car had flashed an oil-temperature warning on the back straight."


2015 Chevrolet Corvette Z06 Full Test – Review – Car and Driver

Tested Automatic
Price: $97,595
Weight: 3558
0-60: 3.0
5-60: 3.2
0-100: 6.8
0-160: 22.9
Quarter: 11.1@127
70-0: 128 feet
Skidpad: 1.19g

Tested Manual
0-60: 3.4
Quarter: 11.5@126
70-0: 139
Skidpad: 1.12g
No idea why the braking and skidpad were off. Engine apparently through a code too.

For Comparison, 2014 TA:
Price: $116,000 (I'd assume ~101,000 since the price drop?)
Weight: 3332
0-60: 3.3
Quarter: 11.3@129.3
60-0: 94 feet
skidpad: 1.10g
Figure 8: 22.9 @ 0.95g

 

[ViperSmith]

LOL you cant possibly try to compare data from one mag to another for a million reasons (.Test procedures, track temp ,and most importantly DRIVER ABILITY) .All cars must be compared SAME DAY SAME TRACK SAME DRIVER. If one car was tested in Nevada in 90 heat by a so so driver and another tested at a sea level track on the East Coast by a great driver the data could be 6tenths or more different. Example Gen 2 Viper Motor Trend tested the car in Calif and ran 12.2 at 115 Mopar Perform Illust tested the car at Englishtown NJ and ran 11.7 at 118 . Gen 4 Viper Car Driver tested the car and ran 11.6 at 126 Muscle Mustang and Fast Ford tested the car and ran 11.2 at 130 Not only that you need to read the test Manny numbers only used.Overall performance of the car EXCEEDS ANYTHING YOU CAN POSSIBLY BY UNDER 1MILLION DOLLARS

Do those million dollar cars overheat after 4 laps too?

 

[Free2go]

Ok 1BADGTS....you nailed the whole voucher thing and that was good, but you should have quit while you were ahead. Nobody gives a $hit about your nut swinging the new Vette at the "Viper" Club. This can't end well for you under any circumstances. I would also recommend that you try not to be so verbosely redundant.

 

[1BADGTS]

Ok 1BADGTS....you nailed the whole voucher thing and that was good, but you should have quit while you were ahead. Nobody gives a $hit about your nut swinging the new Vette at the "Viper" Club. This can't end well for you under any circumstances. I would also recommend that you try not to be so verbosely redundant.

I have verbosely redundant since this clubs inception dating back to 1994 when i ran dragracing for VCA NJ ( Now i got a NEWBIE giving me advice) Iam only redundant when inexperianced people like you make lame excusses about a subject they know absolutely nothing about .I didnt nail the whole Viper thing i was informed something by a reliable high level source Unlike you i dont post on things i know nothing about Get away from your computer , go spend a few hundred grand drag racing Vipers over a 10 year period with some of the BEST drivers in the country then you at least will be QUALIFYED to give an opinion Since your on your computer go to the VCA ARCHIVES and research the OLD VIPERNATIONAL EVENTS Tell us all whos Viper won the Eastern Event from 1998-2001 in the NA MODDED DIVISION .While you at it state YOUR exact experiance racing these cars.

 

[1BADGTS]

Do those million dollar cars overheat after 4 laps too?

Once again ANY PERSON who knows the way ANY of the big 3 test their prototypes will tell you its almost impossible Chevy is going to release their flagship with such a cooling issue You have NEVER seen how a protoype is tested so your commentating from an uneducated bias opinion.If the car had such cooling issues they would have turned up in the 10k hours of Chevrolet internal testing.You guys dont understand the extent that any of the big 3 test these cars YEARS before they are released. That Z06 propably has undergone a million track miles at near redline in 100 degree heat(Chevys got to warranty the thing .Do you realize the corporate ramification it would carry if TRUE). Please communicate YOUR EXACT personal experiance involving prototype testing of any new supercar .The above answer not limited to the exact auto execs that signed off to allow you to observe such tests.

 

[1BADGTS]

I am surprised no one has commented on the MSRP of the test cars as equipped. They are more expensive than a Dodge Viper SRT which is just as fast as the Z06 stick version if not faster. And you will not have to worry about an oil overheat light going on in the Viper or your car being confused for one that cost 50% less.


Glad to read that the Viper plant has reopened. Semper Viper!

Bob so then you would be willing to wager with me that a Stick z06 has gone faster than a 10.9 We will each put say 10k in escrow from there i will go public with the driver ,publication that MIGHT have beat that time Ps did you read the part of the article where the publications admit the Z06 (Stick )is faster in every aspect than the Zr-1 The drag record for the Zr-1 is 10.78

 

[Bobpantax]

It is clear to all of us that you are no longer a Viper supporter even though at one time you were one of its biggest supporters. You are constantly bad mouthing the Gen V and Dodge. This horse has been beaten to death and this discussion is off the point of this thread. Start your own thread and rant away. BTW, I focused on the part of the article where the engine oil light went on due to heat and the discussion about its tires.

Bob so then you would be willing to wager with me that a Stick z06 has gone faster than a 10.9 We will each put say 10k in escrow from there i will go public with the driver ,publication that MIGHT have beat that time Ps did you read the part of the article where the publications admit the Z06 (Stick )is faster in every aspect than the Zr-1 The drag record for the Zr-1 is 10.78

 

[Free2go]

I have verbosely redundant since this clubs inception dating back to 1994 when i ran dragracing for VCA NJ ( Now i got a NEWBIE giving me advice) Iam only redundant when inexperianced people like you make lame excusses about a subject they know absolutely nothing about .I didnt nail the whole Viper thing i was informed something by a reliable high level source Unlike you i dont post on things i know nothing about Get away from your computer , go spend a few hundred grand drag racing Vipers over a 10 year period with some of the BEST drivers in the country then you at least will be QUALIFYED to give an opinion Since your on your computer go to the VCA ARCHIVES and research the OLD VIPERNATIONAL EVENTS Tell us all whos Viper won the Eastern Event from 1998-2001 in the NA MODDED DIVISION .While you at it state YOUR exact experiance racing these cars.

If you'll notice ...I never once questioned your qualifications or experience. You could be the best driver in the world for all I know. It's the chest thumping, nut swinging, and sentence structure that I find amusing.

 

[SRT10]

1BADGTS has been bouncing around Viper Forums for years .........http://www.viperforums.net/forums/showthread.php?t=3461

 

[1BADGTS]

It is clear to all of us that you are no longer a Viper supporter even though at one time you were one of its biggest supporters. You are constantly bad mouthing the Gen V and Dodge. This horse has been beaten to death and this discussion is off the point of this thread. Start your own thread and rant away. BTW, I focused on the part of the article where the engine oil light went on due to heat and the discussion about its tires.

Bob i like the car but iam not going to live in a FANTASYLAND regarding its capabilitys and make false excuses for it Many on this forum(yourself included ) were not around during its glorydays WHEN NOTHING COULD TOUCH IT You really have no idea what it was like in comparason to what it is today The Gen 5 problem is its underteched and WAY WAY OVERPRICED .If the car was priced where it should have been (mid 80s )it might have helped save it. I want to keep the car alive Bob /RETURN IT TO WHERE IT USED TO BE .Your way is not working( needing coupons to sell 2 year old cars at near 50% of sticker is a joke )unless something is done soon there will be no more Viper

 

[1BADGTS]

1BADGTS has been bouncing around Viper Forums for years .........http://www.viperforums.net/forums/showthread.php?t=3461

Since1994 Ran the drag racing for NJ VCA during the time of the VIPER NATS . During the 90s facilitated magazine tests for Super Chevy Mopar Perf Illustrated Muscle Mustang by providing all Gen of Vipers to the mags for shootouts thats where i got the experiance involving testing procedures

 

[Free2go]

Many on this forum were not around during its glorydays WHEN NOTHING COULD TOUCH IT You really have no idea what it was like in comparason to what it is today

You loved the Viper when it was on the top of mountain. Now your swinging to and fro from Vette ****. That's called "band wagoning" . Let me guess....your also a HUGE Seattle Seahawks fan.

 

[Bobpantax]

Boy do you have your cabeza up your culo on this one. LOL. I had a 1999 GTS in 1999 that subsequently was modified with an 8 pound Roe positive displacement supercharger. That vehicle was replaced in 2006 by a 778 flywheel HP supercharged Gen III. Both cars were great but neither one holds a candle to my TA. The Gen V TA is a whole new level of car. And if you would just stop typing and hero worshipping third parties long enough to go buy one and drive it on the street and on a road course for a few hundred miles instead of living through write ups by car magazine reporters who think Hennessey is the best thing since oxygen was created, you might start to understand and appreciate the car.

The Rides and Smiles event I participated in this past Saturday had every automotive reporter in South Florida who is active in SAMA present. They and everyone else there were blown away by the car.

It did not sell well initially for two principal reasons:

1. The price point was a bit too high;and,

2. More importantly, the marketing was totally incompetent including producing the dealer cars before the customer ordered cars which would have created an early buzz instead of the early anger that puting the dealer cars first caused.

Both of these issues have now been addressed by Dodge. Tim Kuniskis knows what he is doing and is finally getting the marketing right.

You really need to ask yourself why you are so hostile to Dodge and the Viper. It is obvious that you are holding a grudge about something and everyone who reads your posts can clearly see it.

I am thrilled that Connor Avenue opened up again. The car is very special.

Bob i like the car but iam not going to live in a FANTASYLAND regarding its capabilitys and make false excuses for it Many on this forum(yourself included ) were not around during its glorydays WHEN NOTHING COULD TOUCH IT You really have no idea what it was like in comparason to what it is today The Gen 5 problem is its underteched and WAY WAY OVERPRICED .If the car was priced where it should have been (mid 80s )it might have helped save it. I want to keep the car alive Bob /RETURN IT TO WHERE IT USED TO BE .Your way is not working( needing coupons to sell 2 year old cars at near 50% of sticker is a joke )unless something is done soon there will be no more Viper

 

[Lawrenzo]

Pics or ban

 

[ViperDC]

going to try to get this thread back on track. the viper plant is building cars now.

Great news, thank you for getting this back on topic.

1BADGTS quit trolling my thread.