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Road and Crap has a cover story called FUN factor! Viper SRT-10 included! No ratings, just a brief opinion. Blah
Next comes Crap & Driver. Cover blurb = POWER CRAZY! No Viper included. Why? The Fastest car in the group was the Ford GT. It did the 1/4 mile in 12.0 @ 123 in this test. Do I need to ask again why the Viper wasn't included?

Oh, and the beloved Ferrari 430 turned a 12.5 @ 116! I guess it would have been very embarrassing to the F- car to have an $85K car dominate it. Again.

I wonder what Motor Trend has cooking....
 

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They said that the US f430's don't have the launch mode that the euro cars have, that's why the car was slower. If that's true, a lot of people that ordered the f430 because of the performance they read in the past articles are going to be upset.
 

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Is it possible DC would not give them one to include in the story? I have noticed that the SRT-10 is being excluded from a lot of articles that I would expect to find it in.
 
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I would give them one to put in the article, just like the F-430 guy. I bet there are others in the Viper community who would also.

BUT, it's not like there aren't any unsold SRT-10's sitting around....
 

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I see alot of Ferarris here in SoCal. My experience is that the owners never run these cars hard. I lined up next to a 550 Marenello on PCH (long stetch of coastal highway) at a red light once at 2AM in my Z06 and the guy would not run even though we where the only two cars on the road.

Only once did a guy in a 355 Spyder get on it.

Ferarris owners don't play the way Porsche owners do.
 

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I rather enjoyed the fun factor article in Road & Track. Said nothing but good things about the car not only on the SRT-10s power but it's handling as well.

That said I always take what the magazines say about cars with a grain of salt. Just a couple of guys with an opinion. :)
 

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I got the impression that the Viper was not included in the Car and Driver article was that it was not expensive enough. I guess that in itself says a lot about what we have as Viper owners! It probably would have been embarrassing to have the Viper standout in performance against all those "high-priced" cars.
 

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It's as JK stated. The SRT was not included in the C/D tests bc the cost of the SRT was south of the minimum for the test which was something in the neighborhood of 140K.
 

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the F430 is straight "pimping", it makes the viper look like it was made for kids, its the same reason the c5 and the mustang arent in the competition, and the GT is there just so they can sell mags since there isnt much about them yet
 
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Maybe the title should have been "Over-Priced POWER CRAZY!"

They listed the as-tested prices of the Ford GT as $159K and the F430 about $195K. Like you could get either for MSRP. I wonder what the demand for the SL65 is?

The Lambo Murci Spyder would have made an appropriate addition to the mix. IMO
 

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Dealers are selling the GT for 250k. There is one on Long Island for that price. They had sold one already for 235K.
 

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ford gt prices seem to be dropping 10-15k per month as there are more delv'd and put on the market at this rate by winter or spring they will be available at sticker or less is my prediction.
 

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Sports Car International's latest issue has a Viper/C6 Corvette comparison. This is the standard (non Z51)Corvette convertible.

An interesting quote:

"In almost any environment I can think of, the Corvette will chew up the Viper and spit out little snakey corn chips . . . Despite being 100 horsepower and 125 lb-ft of torque down on the Dodge, Chevrolet's halo two seater is so much more confident, settled, informative, and cooperative on the road that there's no question as to which is the better machine."

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ford gt prices seem to be dropping 10-15k per month as there are more delv'd and put on the market at this rate by winter or spring they will be available at sticker or less is my prediction.

Jeremy Clarkson is selling his:

Thirty-five years ago I promised myself that one day I’d own a Ford GT40, the blue-collar supercar that took an axle grinder to Ferrari’s aristocratic halo at Le Mans. But 25 years ago my dreams were dashed as I grew too tall to fit inside.
Happily, in 2002 Ford announced that it was to build a modern-day version of the old racer. It would, they said, cost less than £100,000 and do more than 200mph. They also said it would be much bigger than the original so pylon-people like me would be able to drive it.

And so, two years ago, having tested a prototype in America, I placed an order for one of the 28 that were coming to Britain.

As the months groaned by there were rumours of big price increases, insatiable thirst and catastrophic suspension failure. But there were also rumours of the supercharged V8 pumping out 550bhp and a mountain of torque so massive it was breaking the testing equipment. So I didn’t mind.

I didn’t even mind when it arrived at my house one month ago inside a truck which had “On Time” written down the side. As we know from America’s arrival into the second world war, their concept of “on time” differs slightly from ours.

And anyway, it looked so gorgeous, a mass of bulging muscle struggling to contain that massive 5.4 litre supercharged heart. It doesn’t look like a GT40 but it looks like a GT40 looks in your head. And it’s huge. Longer than a Volvo XC90 and as wide as a Hummer.

Which is why, on its first run, to London, it was like a blue and white Pied Piper trailing a stream of ratty hatches in its wake. Everyone was taking pictures, waving, giving me the thumb’s up. Never, not once in 15 years of road testing cars, had anything drawn such a massive crowd. And never had the crowd been so overtly supportive.

Of course you can’t run a car like this without a few problems rearing their head from time to time. It’s too wide for the width restrictions on Hammersmith bridge — backing up earned me a slot on the traffic news that morning. The turning circle means every mini roundabout becomes a three-point turn, and at oblique junctions, as is the case in a Ferrari Enzo, you absolutely cannot see if anything’s coming.

But set against this is a surprisingly quiet and civilised ride. It’s like a power station. Silent, as it gets on with the job of brightening up your life.

Mind you, you are constantly aware of the Herculean power that nestles just over your right shoulder. Partly because you can see the supercharger belt whirring away in the rear-view mirror and partly because it makes a deep, dog-baiting rumble when you do put your foot down.

Ford asked that I keep the revs below 4000 for the first thousand miles. But since 100mph equates to 1900rpm it’s not really a hardship. And at this speed you’re doing 15mpg, which isn’t bad at all. But three days later everything started to go very, very wrong.

Leaving the Top Gear studio, the immobiliser refused to un-immobilise itself. So the car was pushed into the hangar and I went home instead in a rented Toyota Corolla.

Ford sent a tow truck, changed the immobiliser and delivered the car to my house the following day. “Is it fixed?” I asked. “Yes,” they said.

It wasn’t. At three in the morning the alarm blew. And then again at four. This meant my wife started to refer to it as “that f****** car”, which took away a bit of the sheen, if I’m honest.

The next day, on the way back to the garage, I received a call on the hands-free phone from the tracker company. “Your car’s been stolen, sir,” said the man. “I’m sure it hasn’t,” I said, “because I’m in it.”

Fearing that I might be the burglar, the man asked if I could give him my password. Tricky one that, since I have a different password for everything on the internet and can never remember any of them. And that’s a big problem, because the man at the end of the phone has the power to remotely shut down the engine.

I threatened him, lightly, with some physical harm, but this didn’t work so I had to guess. “Aardvark,” I ventured. “Abacus, Aesop, additional . . .”

Eventually he took pity and I was able to deliver the car back to Ford with some stern warnings about the alarm, the immobiliser and the tracker system, all of which seemed to be malfunctioning. As a courtesy car they gave me a Ford Focus, with a diesel engine. Nice.

Two days later the GT was back. “Is it fixed?” I asked, again. “Yes,” they said

Five minutes out of the Ford garage I received a text to say my car had been stolen. And then, in the next half hour, three more. So, counting the two I’d received before I was even out of bed, that meant my car had been stolen five times before 9am.


This time I rang Ford and explained that I would personally come over there and insert the whole car up the chairman’s backside if it wasn’t fixed. And while I was on the phone a yellow warning light came on the dash.
“There’s a yellow warning light on the dash,” I bellowed, like Michael Winner, only angrier. “Oh, that’ll be something to do with the engine management system,” said the man with the bleeding ears. “You’ll need to get it looked at . . .”

When Ford gave me the car back after its third hospital trip in as many weeks, I didn’t ask if the security system was fixed. Because the notion of it still being broken was simply inconceivable.

So imagine my surprise when, one hour later, while at my daughter’s school play, I heard a familiar siren. I couldn’t believe it. The alarm had gone off again.

In a fury this time, I called Ford and explained, loudly, that Roush, the company charged with servicing and maintaining the 28 GTs in Britain, was plainly incompetent. And that there was simply no point asking it to fix the alarm again because it’d had three goes already.

I then did something the man at Ford wasn’t expecting. I asked for my money back.


And that, the next day, is what happened.


They put £126,000 in my account and sent a man to pick up the car. “Is it the alarm system?” he said. “They all do that.”

So there we are. A 35-year dream. A two-year wait. Ten years of damn hard work. And what do I get? The most miserable month’s motoring it is possible to imagine.

Strangely, however, as the GT rumbled down my drive for the last time, I felt like Julie Walters watching Michael Caine getting on the plane at the end of Educating Rita. I actually cried.

There’s a very good reason for this. I genuinely believe that some machines have a soul and I can’t bear to think of my Ford sitting in a warehouse now, unloved and unwanted. It is fine. It is perfect. It knows it’s a great, great car that was ruined by a useless ape who fitted a crummy aftermarket alarm system.

Ford has said I can buy the car back any time. It has even lent me an Aston Martin DB9 while I make up my mind. I don’t know though. I just don’t know.

Normally I finish these columns with an opinion of mine. But this time it’s the other way round. I’d love to hear yours.

One thing: I know I could sell the car privately and make a £50,000 profit. But I have never profited from my position as a motoring journalist. And I never will.

VITAL STATISTICS

Model Ford GT
Engine 5409cc V8 supercharged
Power 550bhp @ 6500rpm
Torque 500lb ft @ 3750rpm
Transmission Six-speed manual
Fuel 14.6mpg (combined cycle)
CO2 N/A
Acceleration 0-60mph: 3.8sec
Top speed 212mph
Price £126,000
Verdict So good you can have mine
Rating Five stars
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