Gen IIIs cheaper than Gen IIs

[GR8_ASP]

Tastes better. Less Filling.

It must be funny to outsiders how the VCA board denegrates each others choice
in Viper. Certainly not building the value in each others, but rather trying
to lower that of the others.

It is the old nah, nah na na na, my Vipers worth more than yours. Yours is
ugly. No yours is non-performing. Mine is timeless, the only true Viper
classic. Yours is old and outdated, a true relic.

Get over it. Can't you guys just appreciate what we ALL have in special
automobiles. Fast. No damn fast. Stylish. No classically styled beautiful cars.

I have owned Vipers over the past 11 years. And I don't care if it is Gen I,II
or a Gen III, the thrill of owning and driving has been there for every minute
of every one of them!

 

[Camfab]

I think I can shed some light on why the Gen II's are priced where they are. Certain cars evoke an emotional tidal wave when they hit the market. Those cars are few and far between. An example might be the original AC Cobra. Most gear heads and enthusiasts regardless of brand loyalty will look at these cars as timeless classics, they remember these cars with such emotional enthusiasm. Many will link these cars to a certain point in their lives where they dreamt of being behind the wheel of such an awesome machine. I was one of those individuals, when I first eyed my first Viper I was awestruck, but when the GenII GTS came out in '96 I was blown away by this car. That car was the one and only car that made me say "Oh my God that just shut the door on the AC Cobra for me". Not that the AC wasn't or isn't a really cool car , but that a modern day car just eclipsed the famed legendary cars of yesterday.
Here's the clincher, their are quite a few guys like me who simply could not afford a ninety thousand dollar car back in the late nineties (ACR). I had an FRC Corvette and sold it last year to buy the new Z-06, but along the way I started to think " I know the new Z-06 is going to be wicked but.... The GenII ACR is, was, will always be my dream car, and perfect cars aren't going to be around forever, especially not with warranties. This my friends is why the prices of these cars are where they are at. Not because they are better than GenIII's, because they aren't, but because their are an entire generation of guys who want this car. GenIII's are still available and plentiful at the dealers. I would love to have one someday.

 

[Lee00blacksilverGTS]

I have noticed that a few Gen III Vipers are selling for less than Gen IIs with comparable mileage. A Dodge dealer near New Orleans was asking 59,995 for a 2004 with 8100 miles. It sold very quickly. But there are many Gen IIs out there with 62k+ price tags.

I don't know where your looking but its not hard to find Gen IIs in the $30k range.
Try here..5 Vipers, all in the $30K range or best offer, some original owners, some never seen rain,willing to negotiate at $36,500!,ect ect...

http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=187153189&dealer_id=56718988&car_year=1996&make=DODGE&distance=0&lang=&max_price=&model=VIPER&end_year=2002&min_price=&first_record=176&pager.offset=175&certified=&address=08527&search_type=used&advanced=&start_year=1996&isp=y&cardist=2493

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http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=185840635&dealer_id=56599249&car_year=1996&make=DODGE&distance=0&lang=&max_price=&model=VIPER&end_year=2002&min_price=&first_record=176&pager.offset=175&certified=&address=08527&search_type=used&advanced=&start_year=1996&isp=y&cardist=1461

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http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=186852491&dealer_id=56695513&car_year=1997&make=DODGE&distance=0&lang=&max_price=&model=VIPER&end_year=2002&min_price=&first_record=176&pager.offset=175&certified=&address=08527&search_type=used&advanced=&start_year=1996&isp=y&cardist=395

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http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=159394700&dealer_id=15652218&car_year=1997&make=DODGE&distance=0&lang=&max_price=&model=VIPER&end_year=2002&min_price=&first_record=176&pager.offset=175&certified=&address=08527&search_type=used&advanced=&start_year=1996&isp=y&cardist=1017

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http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=186355529&dealer_id=56645031&car_year=1998&make=DODGE&distance=0&lang=&max_price=&model=VIPER&end_year=2002&min_price=&first_record=176&pager.offset=175&certified=&address=08527&search_type=used&advanced=&start_year=1996&isp=y&cardist=2455

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Also if your car is stolen what will the insurance company pay? They will go by Blue Book value which is in the $30k to $40k range depending on the year.

Do you really think you made a meaningful point by posting 5 Gen 2's that you very carefully selected for their low price AND their mileage of.....

38,000

46,500

54,000

56,000

and

66,000

Would YOU buy any of them? Gimme' a break!

 

[Lee00blacksilverGTS]

wow those gts are way over priced. you should go to autotrader or dodgevipersforsale or ebaymotors.

Ummmm, mine WERE from Autotrader Sweenster.

 

[sween]

lol you called me sweenster.on a serious note look at those gen 2s in the 60K range those have really low miles. my point is, is that gen 2s are in the 45-55K range (unless of certain models or of low mileage) and the srt-10s are in the 65-85K (unless of really high mileage or a really really good deal).

 

[Lee00blacksilverGTS]

Sweenster, what math classes are you taking as a sophomore.....don't take statistics as an elective. It won't be pretty.

The Gen 2's above 60k are ALL of pretty normal low miles (for Vipers) with a couple exceptions.

10,000
3,000
6,000
1,800 low
3,280
1,688 very low and a 97 b/w VERY UNUSUAL
5,000
4,000
5,000
4,000
10,000
9,000
4,000
27,000
10,000
6,000
5,000
6,000
17,4000
11,000

More importantly, The SRTs are ALSO low miles with a couple exceptions, let's just throw those 3 out that are over 20,000mi.

Now you have SRT's
4,512mi @ $59,985

5,800mi @ $59,900

8,189mi @ $59,995

2,152mi @ $$55,250

There's a couple more but I'm tired of opening and closing windows, you get my point? Your comment about mileage was in error. They are all averaging about the same miles, most Vipers ARE low miles, they are not everyday drivers. And ALL the GEN 2's I referenced were over $60k and all the Gen 3's were UNDER $60K. I'm shopping for a Gen 3 and I've been paying attention. Hmmmmmm, I think I'm calling on that last one.

 

[SRT10]

Would YOU buy any of them? Gimme' a break!

I just searched from 96 to 02 and there are 9 pages of Vipers for sale..if you bothered to look at the other cars on the Autotrader webpage you would see that there are quite a few with very low mileage in the low $40k range. I'm not making this up. Why do you refuse to accept that fact?


http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=185299232&dealer_id=56556616&car_year=1996&make=DODGE&distance=0&lang=&max_price=&model=VIPER&end_year=2002&min_price=&first_record=151&pager.offset=150&certified=&address=08527&search_type=used&advanced=&start_year=1996&isp=y&cardist=1076

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8000 miles asking $44k

http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=186587902&dealer_id=56666946&car_year=1996&make=DODGE&distance=0&lang=&max_price=&model=VIPER&end_year=2002&min_price=&first_record=151&pager.offset=150&certified=&address=08527&search_type=used&advanced=&start_year=1996&isp=y&cardist=972

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6,950 miles asking $42k

http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=186300814&dealer_id=56638038&car_year=1996&make=DODGE&distance=0&lang=&max_price=&model=VIPER&end_year=2002&min_price=&first_record=176&pager.offset=175&certified=&address=08527&search_type=used&advanced=&isp=y&start_year=1996&cardist=807

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21,800 miles asking $37,500

 

[Big Medicine]

****

Try using a filter, assuming anyone buying a Viper probably has a particular color in mind, and hence a specific YEAR MODEL!

1996 b/w any distance & less than 30k miles on the odometer. Try that filter.......

5 for sale. Lowest price $48,900.

Now how much money am I going to spend on airline tickets, hotels, and rental cars trying to fly all over the country looking at them? The closest one is 613 miles from Houston!

 

[sween]

Sweenster, what math classes are you taking as a sophomore.....don't take statistics as an elective. It won't be pretty.

The Gen 2's above 60k are ALL of pretty normal low miles (for Vipers) with a couple exceptions.

10,000
3,000
6,000
1,800 low
3,280
1,688 very low and a 97 b/w VERY UNUSUAL
5,000
4,000
5,000
4,000
10,000
9,000
4,000
27,000
10,000
6,000
5,000
6,000
17,4000
11,000

More importantly, The SRTs are ALSO low miles with a couple exceptions, let's just throw those 3 out that are over 20,000mi.

Now you have SRT's
4,512mi @ $59,985

5,800mi @ $59,900

8,189mi @ $59,995

2,152mi @ $$55,250

There's a couple more but I'm tired of opening and closing windows, you get my point? Your comment about mileage was in error. They are all averaging about the same miles, most Vipers ARE low miles, they are not everyday drivers. And ALL the GEN 2's I referenced were over $60k and all the Gen 3's were UNDER $60K. I'm shopping for a Gen 3 and I've been paying attention. Hmmmmmm, I think I'm calling on that last one.

i give up you win . BTW this year ill be taking geometry as a freshman.

 

[snampro]

Guys, all I can say is I don't care which version of the Viper is negatively effected by the new coupe, but which ever it is I will be buying one in the next year. Bottom line, a Viper is a Viper and that's all that matters to me

The one thing many of the SRT-10's have going for them is a warrantee, that will help for a few years...

 

[SRT10]

****

Try using a filter, assuming anyone buying a Viper probably has a particular color in mind, and hence a specific YEAR MODEL!

1996 b/w any distance & less than 30k miles on the odometer. Try that filter.......

5 for sale. Lowest price $48,900.

Now how much money am I going to spend on airline tickets, hotels, and rental cars trying to fly all over the country looking at them? The closest one is 613 miles from Houston!

96 b/w GTS 14,014 miles "never driven in rain" Sold $43,600 Orlando FL

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&ct=res&cd=10&url=http%3A//www.showyourauto.com/am/listings/l0040.html&ei=WIgCQ_uPFIyIaMyv8Dw

 

[Big Medicine]

OK, so how do I buy that car? It's not for sale. Can you find one for sale?

Thanks.

 

[PDCjonny]

Whats the date on that ad? These dealers like to show their higher end inventory for years so they look like big time players. Two years ago? How about for sale NOW?

 

[Oldwilsonian]

Been observing this ongoing debate for some time now & have to chime in.

Owned my '02 GTS Bumblebee for just over a year now, I am in the automotive industry and used the car daily for some time, so it got a lot of exposure to the 'average man in the street'. The comments & feedback were overwhelmingly that the GTS was the body shape that these people associated when asked to describe a Dodge Viper. This was followed by comments like 'the other Viper with the targa top' (all due respect to RT10 owners) & lastly the 'new convertible Viper' with comments like 'beefed up S2000 or similar to new Vette etc. (again respect to the SRT guys) My honest opinion is that the GTS seems to evoke a more passionate, definitive image when someone refers to a 'Viper'.

With this in mind I believe that these cars will certainly maintain, if not increase in value in the coming years.

What is currently of more value an original Ford GT or the new one? NOTHING can substitute an original and I think this can be applied to the GTS.

BTW Have a friend with 2 GT's for sale, Red with white stripes and a solid Black. Have driven one they are incredible, as much as I love my Viper if I could afford one..... Please PM if anyone is interested.

 

[VIPR GTS]

If you look at what 71 Cuda's are bringing now, I figure I only have 27 years left till my GTS has the value I feel it is worth. Hang on guys!

 

[snampro]

I have to disagree with the GTS guys, I think of the RT/10 as THE Viper. That was the first Viper and that's all I saw as a kid until the GTS came along...

 

[AG98RT10]

Tend to agree - RT's are the Viper - and they are more fun. But GTS is nice too.
Both are going to be climbing in value (well-preserved samples). There were just too few made, and the number that survive seems to get smaller each year.
Put that 96 B&W with a hundred miles on it that someone bought a few months ago in a plastic bubble and come back in ten or fifteen years, I figure at least half a million at Barrett Jackson.
Just supply and demand...
(Stocks may outperform the investment, though...)