We're in total agreement, my friend. GT500: Motor Trend got 11.6, Car and Driver got 11.7, AutoWeek got 11.7 using LC - at the same track I got my 11.6, using the same technique they did. Gen5: best mag time to date is 11.3. Last time I checked, that's way quicker than an 11.6-11.7. And that's just mags. Difference is, GT500 IMO is about as good as it get at an 11.6 or so, not because thats what i got and im that good, just because it'd be hard to beat what the LC does manually, a pro maybe, but not much IMO. The gen5 at 11.3 I can assure you there are guys right here that'll do better than that, I expect one of our good shoes to log a 10.XX. At Laguna, the GT500 was 4 secs behind the TA, that's a different class kinda difference. But that's not really the whole story cause the brakes as stock on the GT500 have great calipers and horrible rotors and start fading within 3 laps. Ask me how I know. LoL. So in a trackday session, it'd be worse than 4 sec difference over 20 laps. So it's waaay fun, still in the top 20 production cars around Laguna, but easily lapped by a Viper given a full session. I would note that the GT500 was faster around Laguna than the 2012 MB SLS AMG. Not bad for a 'stang, but uh yea, it ain't a Viper.