Is there any way to look up a VIN for the OEM car color?

Mr. Mom

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Been watching this '02 Viper out in Utah for the past year. It's ORANGE with a leather hood bra! Yuk, but the price keeps dropping. In the right hands (mine) it can get back to what it once was, but I'm curious about the OEM color........what was it?
I have the VIN: 1B3ER65E92V102150 but I'm not sure what part of that is vehicle color and what the code would be. Can anyone help me identify it?
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I don't have a actual pant code, but 2002 was only offered in "LRN - Viper Red Clearcoat". The Orange is definitely stock, and you are aware that car has a salvage title history aren't you?
 
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I was not aware that it was a salvage title, but I had a sneaking suspicion that it might be.

Just got a call from the dealership. He told me that the car had been stolen from the lot, driven around, but later recovered. Said the color is not original (which I have yet to see a Gen2 Viper in Orange but had to ask) and that the only thing wrong with it had been something with a windshield? and a replaced side window regulator motor.
Dealer told me that it had been retitled BECAUSE it had been stolen. Never heard of that before.
 

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Run Forest run as fast as you can if it starts out fishy it's only going to get worse. IMO
 

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I don't have a actual pant code, but 2002 was only offered in
"LRN - Viper Red Clearcoat".

I'm not sure if you typed that out correctly, but just for clarification
there were three colour options for the RT in 2002:
Red with Cognac Interior 42 Made
Red with Black Interior 139 Made
Graphite with Cognac Interior 43 Made
Graphite with Black Interior 143 Made
Yellow with Cognac Interior 1 Made
Yellow with Black Interior 177 Made

Dealer told me that it had been retitled BECAUSE it had been
stolen. Never heard of that before.


The only two entities that can total a car are the insurance company
and the current owner. By law if an insurance company pays out a full
claim it must declare the car as a theft (salvaged/branded.) If the
owner chooses not to file a claim, or not accept the terms of a claim,
then technically the car can be returned as a clear title regardless of
condition back to that owner. Also if the car is found/returned before
the claim is processed it can also be repaired without branding the title.
 

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The only two entities that can total a car are the insurance company
and the current owner. By law if an insurance company pays out a full
claim it must declare the car as a theft (salvaged/branded.) If the
owner chooses not to file a claim, or not accept the terms of a claim,
then technically the car can be returned as a clear title regardless of
condition back to that owner. Also if the car is found/returned before
the claim is processed it can also be repaired without branding the title.

Wow that's a lot of misinformation...... the only entity that can declare a vehicle a salvage title vehicle is the State......the insurance company just facilitates getting the title from the owner and processing the salvage title according to the statutes.....which vary by state. Typically the branding of a title is determined by the amount of cost to return the vehicle to it's pre-loss condition. Technically regardless if the insurance claim is accepted or not if the vehicle fits the parameters of the salvage statute then the title should be processed......just some individuals circumvent the statute and do not process the title thereby keeping a "clear" title when it should have been branded.

If the vehicle has a salvage title, you may be able to find out the particulars about the claim that generated the branding of the title if you can find out who the owner was, or what insurance company was involved. Depending on your state you may be able to get information on the prior owner through the DMV......
 

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I guess it's more misinformation from the wonderful web. :)

The site I got it from says LRN. I'll go with you old timers on this one. lol
 

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The car about which this thread is focused, before being painted orange, was factory Graphite Grey Pearl Metallic Clear Coat.
I realize you might not wish to take my word, and if that be the case, then suggest contacting the dealership for confirmation:

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Guess I'm not so concerned about the color as it can be repainted the OEM color. More of why the car is so cheap compared to when I first saw it. I remember the saying that says: "If something seems too good to be true, it probably is".
 

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In short, No. http://vindecode.webs.com/vipervin.htm You would need the original monroney plate, which considering you can't even get the original title, I doubt you can get the monroney plate. See this thread in the members only section if you can view. http://forums.viperclub.org/threads/603396-VCA-Monroney-Reprint-Program

Still have to agree with Moodie. If it's got a salvaged title I would not touch it unless I was VERY handy and planned to race it. Good luck.

Been watching this '02 Viper out in Utah for the past year. It's ORANGE with a leather hood bra! Yuk, but the price keeps dropping. In the right hands (mine) it can get back to what it once was, but I'm curious about the OEM color........what was it?
I have the VIN: 1B3ER65E92V102150 but I'm not sure what part of that is vehicle color and what the code would be. Can anyone help me identify it?
Thanks!
 
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I know when I buy an automobile, I like to think I'm also getting a (piece of mind), not sure if you'd have it with that one! jmo

Yeah, I agree. I went with Moodie's advice: If it smells fishy, it probably is.

Now I'm looking at a '99 and an '01.
 

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yeah its a damm scary car, but its safe to race it at 200mph with a bent frame
Dont drive this thing on the street only good for high speed racing
 

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the only entity that can declare a vehicle a salvage title vehicle is
the State......the insurance company just facilitates getting the title
from the owner and processing the salvage title according to the
statutes...

For the purpose of this thread you're arguing semantics. The State
cannot *****-nilly issue a branded title without the facilitating
paperwork - which can only be supplied by the owner or insurance
company. Therefore ONLY the owner and insurance company can
create a branded title. The only title the State/FED can issue
against the will of all parties involved are Grey Market, Export, and
Scrap (lets say from a drug deal confiscation.) Realistically, the
State could not care less about the condition of private property
beyond emissions and safety. (Which is why most States require a
safety inspection to re class a Salvage Title into a Reconstructed
Title.)

Typically the branding of a title is determined by the
amount of cost to return the vehicle to it's pre-loss condition.
Technically regardless if the insurance claim is accepted or not if
the vehicle fits the parameters of the salvage statute then the title
should be processed...

"Typically" and "should" are awfully big words in the legal realms.
"Typically" a car is branded if it reaches the 75% threshold of value
yes, but I have personally experienced high end luxury cars being
branded for literally hundreds of dollars in damage. All depends
on the insurance company's client and agent I suppose. I have also
encountered several cars with Theft notes on titles that were not
branded, meaning the car was stolen at some point and then
(presumably) returned without being submitted for branding.
Without a concession or binding arbitration the insurance
company cannot lay claim to the vehicle and (to my
understanding) if it cannot claim ownership it cannot brand the
title through the State. Possession is 9/10ths the law. Most
companies now have binding arbitration as part of the claim
process, but I also have personal experience where its not
accepted or contracted - if you don't like the terms of the
settlement you can tell them to piss off.

...just some individuals circumvent the statute and do not
process the title thereby keeping a "clear" title when it should
have been branded.

Sure that's perfectly possible, but I find with high-end
performance cars single car accident claims are simply not
reported to the insurance company at all. Considering his record I
m sure Johnny Knoxville (for example) would probably wash off an
Aston Martin as opposed to getting police and insurance involved
in a wreck. There's also a huge amount of wrecks on racetracks
these days that neither get reported OR processed because of the
nature of the wreck. Take your viper into a wall at Sebring and
you'll see how comprehensive your coverage really is.

While I know how abrasive I am, I am not looking to pick a fight
here. It just bothers me when people get shafted over how little
they understand title laws. I have a list of several dozen vipers
right now that have been destroyed and rebuilt with no "official"
record to follow them. Mr. Mom sadly proves my point by
watching a salvaged car for over a year without realizing it. I love
salvage cars - in fact that's mostly what I buy these days because
of the sheer amount of savings for a car that... in all likelihood... I
am going to destroy anyway.
 
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