Pennzoil Ultra Euro 5- 40

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The above oil is at least stated at Pennzoil home page the recomended oil for the 2009 and up Vipers..
is it also a good choice for a 2000 GTS ? would appreciate some input on engine oil and viscosity used by
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Dude,....don't put that pennzoil crap in your Viper, not even in your hyundai. Stick with the Mobil-1.

Why not? Something bad going to happen?

You have any real proof, or you also drinking the Kool-Aid?


My God, if all those who cry "This oil is bad", or "This oil filter is bad" had any real proof, how come you have not gone and shown it to the manufacturers in question?

The sky is falling........The sky is falling!
 

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I have no opinion, but the GEN IV(mid year change) and GEN V use Penzoil. I am sure it was about dollars, but SRT is not going to put in something that will damage a car.

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I know the Penzoil would probably be easy to find but is the Mobil 1 Euro blend also easy to find. I know Mobile 1 is but I never heard of Euro blend. Is that similiar to what is in the diesel blends in regard to the additives. I know a lot of guys with old muscle cars use the diesel oil for its additives
 

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Mobil 1 0W-40 going into all of our Vipers...from 1995 through 2010.

The last time that I tried to buy the new Penzoil Ultra 0W-40 SRT (for 2013 Vipers) from a local SRT dealer to send to Blackstone Labs for analysis... said dealer had none. I will try again soon.
 

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Why not? Something bad going to happen?

You have any real proof, or you also drinking the Kool-Aid?


My God, if all those who cry "This oil is bad", or "This oil filter is bad" had any real proof, how come you have not gone and shown it to the manufacturers in question?

The sky is falling........The sky is falling!
Have been working in the auto service industry for 30 years now. Started career with 15 years experience in a machine shop doing engine rebuilding. Have done everything from small engine repair, to pass/light truck, agricultural/industrial, marine, high performance builds, heavy truck and diesel. Now own and operate an auto repair shop. Hold ASE certifications as Master Auto Tech, Master Med/Hvy Truck Tech, L1 Advanced Driveability, Master Engine Machinist, Parts Specialist, Service Consultant. No documented proof that Pennzoil will cause engine damage, but in my earlier years in engine machining/rebuilding, most Pennzoil motors had more than normal sludge accumulation. I don't have a degree in lubricants/engineering/chemistry, or anything like that, so I am only drawing my conclusions on what I have seen. In other words, this is only my opinion. I have been told by others 'more in the know' that Pennzoil uses more parrafin in their base stocks though. (that's wax). This would account for the sludge. I don't know anything about Pennzoil's new formulations, so it is unfair of me to pass judgment on their current products. It is just that when I see a Pennzoil bottle, because of my experience with internal engine work, I just cringe. The new stuff is probably OK, but I am sticking with Mobil-1 in my Viper, Corvette, and Challenger. .........Respectfully, Allan
 
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Have been working in the auto service industry for 30 years now. Started career with 15 years experience in a machine shop doing engine rebuilding. Have done everything from small engine repair, to pass/light truck, agricultural/industrial, marine, high performance builds, heavy truck and diesel. Now own and operate an auto repair shop. Hold ASE certifications as Master Auto Tech, Master Med/Hvy Truck Tech, L1 Advanced Driveability, Master Engine Machinist, Parts Specialist, Service Consultant. No documented proof that Pennzoil will case engine damage, but in my earlier years in engine machining/rebuilding, most Pennzoil motors had more than normal sludge accumulation. I don't have a degree in lubricants/engineering/chemistry, or anything like that, so I am only drawing my conclusions on what I have seen. In other words, this is only my opinion. I have been told by others 'more in the know' that Pennzoil uses more parrafin in their base stocks though. (that's wax). This would account for the sludge. I don't know anything about Pennzoil's new formulations, so it is unfair of me to pass judgment on their current products. It is just that when I see a Pennzoil bottle, because of my experience with internal engine work, I just cringe. The new stuff is probably OK, but I am sticking with Mobil-1 in my Viper, Corvette, and Challenger. .........Respectfully, Allan

Wow, sounds like our experience in auto industry is very very similar. Scary almost how much so.

You mention sludge. I have never seen or heard of any engine developing sludge from the oil itself. It usually comes from extended, overly long drain intervals, engines not getting up to temp, or both. Not too mention what happens frome xcess blowby, etc. But then again, there are also other reasons, none of which I can blame the oil itself for.

If anyone can prove an oil is "bad" and has real world proof, a buddy of mine wants to meet you and see your data. If true, he can make you a very rich man.
 

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Wow, sounds like our experience in auto industry is very very similar. Scary almost how much so.

You mention sludge. I have never seen or heard of any engine developing sludge from the oil itself. It usually comes from extended, overly long drain intervals, engines not getting up to temp, or both. Not too mention what happens frome xcess blowby, etc. But then again, there are also other reasons, none of which I can blame the oil itself for.

If anyone can prove an oil is "bad" and has real world proof, a buddy of mine wants to meet you and see your data. If true, he can make you a very rich man.
Again, no data or written documentation. I agree that most 'sludge' is caused by lack of maintanence, short trip driving, jacked-up PCV system, or whatever. It just seemed that more often than not when we tore down a motor with all that ugly in there, the customer swore by Pennzoil. All the above contributing factors were probably in play though. I have no campaign against Pennzoil, nor do I even really care, but on the other side of the discussion, what's wrong with Mobil-1 products? -besides the price. .......Tangent topic- since you share common trade, do you also find it funny how people will be adamant about a particular brand of oil, or gas, or spark plug. The thing is, that their opinion is not based on anything substantial at all, it's just what their dad used, or something like that. I certainly hope that you are not lumping me into 'that group' of consumers. -Allan
 

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I know the Penzoil would probably be easy to find but is the Mobil 1 Euro blend also easy to find. I know Mobile 1 is but I never heard of Euro blend. Is that similiar to what is in the diesel blends in regard to the additives. I know a lot of guys with old muscle cars use the diesel oil for its additives

The Mobil 1 0W-40 "European Formula" has higher ZDDP levels than, say, their 10W-30 has http://www.mobiloil.com/USA-English/MotorOil/Files/Mobil_1_Product_Guide.pdf 0W-40 comes up on sale occasionally at various outlets.

I would say that it is debatable what is "enough" ZDDP. High levels of ZDDP are particularly important for lubricating flat tappet lifter/camshafts. I'm pretty sure that the Viper has roller lifters (I haven't seen a V10 apart.) So, do we really need to be concerned about ZDDP ? It is a lubrication additive, though, so the more the better, I reckon. Therefore I use Mobil 1 0W-40, or 15W-50 in the Viper. I use diesel formulation oil in my Wrangler (flat tappet).
 

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Again, no data or written documentation. I agree that most 'sludge' is caused by lack of maintanence, short trip driving, jacked-up PCV system, or whatever. It just seemed that more often than not when we tore down a motor with all that ugly in there, the customer swore by Pennzoil. All the above contributing factors were probably in play though. I have no campaign against Pennzoil, nor do I even really care, but on the other side of the discussion, what's wrong with Mobil-1 products? -besides the price. .......Tangent topic- since you share common trade, do you also find it funny how people will be adamant about a particular brand of oil, or gas, or spark plug. The thing is, that their opinion is not based on anything substantial at all, it's just what their dad used, or something like that. I certainly hope that you are not lumping me into 'that group' of consumers. -Allan


Not at all, Allan. Just carrying on a conversation.

You are so correct about peoples "likes" for a certain brand being based on "dad used" or worse yet, what "the board all swears by". I am not a follower or a fan-boy of any brand. If it works, it works. I think most peolpe today listen to what is said and not what is proven.


Here is something I had done years ago. I had an old ******, Ford ******. Drove it for 2 years (15k+ per) never changing oil or filter. Just adding when needed. Maybe 1/2qt every 3k or so. Did this for 8 year until I sold it. 4 oil changes over 8 years. before I sold it I had to replace a leaking rocker gasket. To my surprise, no sludge and all clean inside. Oil used, whatever was on sale.

I attribute this to a car that was never driven on short trips ( all 20+ miles each way) and also was warmed up until at least "half way" before driving.

Most problems I see are a result of the owner/driver. One way or another. Most.....





* My current oil of choice, Shell. Rotella T, or just "Regular" Shell Syn.
B.S. Labs has given me the "OK" with all the vehicles using this.
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If you go to amazon and search for Pennzoil 5w-40 ultra european-There are several very favorable reviews from people that have used this oil and actually have had laboratory analysis done with great results-Seems to be a very good oil from people that have used it and actually had their oil tested!
 

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"Historical posts":

See my post from 7/7/2001 asking about the 0W-40:
http://forums.viperclub.org/threads...-0W-40-european-car-formula?highlight=porsche

And, from a long thread in 2005:

http://forums.viperclub.org/threads...do-the-oil-changes?highlight=porsche+panorama

my post read:

"While DODGE dealers likely DID NOT stock Mobil 1 in the 0W-40 weight, it was INDEED QUITE AVAILABLE at Mercedes and Porsche dealers, (and some NAPA outlets around here by 2003). This oil has been in use in other cars since at least 2002 which is when I became interested in it and purchased MY first batch....initially called "European Car Formula" on the Mobil 1 container. For more history, see April 2002 issue of Porsche Panorama Mag.(citing a Nov.30, 2001 Porsche bulletin---and take note of the fact that Mobil 1 10W-30 WAS NOT RECOMMENDED for 1973 and later Porsche 4, 6, and 8 cylinder engines that would be operated in ambient temps above 86 deg F )."

That last statement got me thinking...especially since EVERY used oil sample analysis that I had performed by Blackstone Labs every time I changed oil on our Vipers came back a little low on the viscosity test (SUS Viscosity @ 210 degrees F) when using Mobil 1's 10W-30 (the Viper factory fill from 1997 through 2004 (I THINK it was also used in the 1996 GTS's but I KNOW it was NOT used in the 1996 R/T 10's).

And YES...Mobil 1 0W-40 European Car Formula became the Viper factory fill in 2005, 2006, (NO Vipers were made in 2007), 2008, 2009, and 2010.



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