What is Nitro Methane?????

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what does it do?? Sounds like a fuel and nitrous mixture :eek: If so, how does one use this to go faster :p Do you inject it like Nitrous, or is like a fuel cell delivery type system?? Sounds a bit dangerous but well worth the try no :confused:
 

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Uh, it's a fuel. No nitrous involved! It's what top fuel dragsters use. Not so bueno in your car. VERY violent power!
 
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violent power as in what?? Kinda like Nitrous?? Comes on like a sob :eek:
 

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Model fuel, also nick-named 'Glow-Fuel', is a Methanol (CH3OH) based fluid and is usually mixed with Castor/Synthetic Oil and Nitro Methane (CH3NO2). Methane (CH4) is a gas at room temperature and there is no such thing as nitro on its own. 'Nitro' is only used as a prefix, such as nitro methane, indicating the presense of nitride (NO2) in the molecule. The nitro methane allows more fuel to be put in and burnt because of the oxygen it supplies, therefore giving more power. The amount of Nitro in Methane is given in percentages, from 1 to 50%.

These days, depending on the engine manufacturer, model fuel may contain as much as 40% nitro or none at all. The Castor Oil, a natural obtained substance from the Castor Bean, is used as a lubricant. Castor Oil is clean, transparent, organic and biodegradable and will absolutely not cause any polution if used near or on water. One of nature's many miracle products, in my opinion. Synthetic oil is also used and has different lubrication properties. The 30% heli-fuel I use has a mixture of both castor and synthetic lubricants.

An open container of Methanol fuel is quickly spoiled since methanol naturally absorbes water (humidity) at a very high rate, and so it is important to keep it tightly closed when not in use. It is also important to know that a plastic container of fuel, placed on a basement floor, will in time draw humidity from the floor into the fuel. Always place your fuel on a piece of wood or whatever.

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Sooooo, what he meant to say was that it's made for BIG BAD race engines and it won't work in your car.
 

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That's funny. I could've swore he said "Who's thirsty? Party's at my place, the barby is hot and I've got the beers. You bring the steaks."
 

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:D - that's what I heard too!

Nitro can be injected in small amounts for a power gain. If you over do it - yo will run lean and POP goes the weasel! In other words - "boys - don't try this at home!"

It would be possible to run a high powered nitro injection kit like a nitrous kit but would require a large increase in fuel to burn the extra oxygen. The power is explosive and you'll need one well sealed and strong package to hold it.

A modest 30hp boost is available at www.snowperformance.net but requires a water injection system to use if I understand it correctly. That nitro kit is about the limit without enrichening. Smaller gains can be made by adding a can of nitro gas additive - but more is not better - due to lean out problem.

If you run boost as well - water injection is great anyway - it'll pick up where the intercooler stops unless intake temps are already low. The Snow Performance kit sounds good - not as sophisticated as the Aquamist but cheaper - and the nitro booster is an add on option. I found this running a search to see if anyone in the USA had got past the old "wiper motor pump" dark ages yet - and found that. Sounds good - has anyone tried it?
 

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The next time NHRA comes to your town, get a pit pass and check out the Nitro Top Fuelers. Go next to a team that just fired up the motor, wait til they 'blip' the throttle...that's how explosive Nitro is. :shocked:

By the way, I used to mix castor oil/gas when I rode dirt bikes and motocross back in the days--love that sweet smell. Nitro Methane however, is torture on the eyes *tears*
 

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There are other well suited additives for adding to your gas. You may want to look into Nitro Propane and Propolyne Oxide. I ran mixtures of those with race gas back in 1992 and 1993 in Corvettes. You just have to have a way to turn up the fuel (like with nitrous). The gains can be big and all you have to do is pour it into your gas tank. There were no fuel rules in the series I was doing then and I couldn't afford a big dollar motor. We used to use about 5 to7% Propolyne Oxide with awesome results. Propolyne oxide is an oxygen bearing liquid. Expensive additive though at about $35 / gal.

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Torquemonster.... if I ran Nitro Methane in my car and my current dyno numbers 689 rwhp and 678 torque ... what would the dyno numbers look like.

Cudaman :usa:
 

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Cudaman: Well - if you used the Snow Performance water injection with the Nitro booster - you'd add 30hp and about the same or a bit more in torque from the booster itself.

Then you could use the water injection for in-cylinder cooling - that will allow you to run either more boost or up the timing on what you have. I'd be surprised if you couldn't add 4 degrees at full boost if the water is atomised at 100psi. You'd FEEL that much advance I'm pretty sure.

If you wanted to add Nitro to your engine directly.... as they say "yer on yer own!" :p ...In theory you could add in enough power that you'll blow the thing apart - Nitro will make much more power than Nitrous can but having the fuel enriched quick enough will be the problem. As for any other down sides - I don't know - but the burn rate will be different to gas, so there's probably a definite limit to how much you could run no matter how much extra fuel you added - I'm outta my depth here.
 

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Molecular formula: CH3NO2

CAS No: 75-52-5
EC No: 200-876-6

Physical data

Appearance: Colourless oily liquid
Melting point: -29 C
Boiling point: 100 - 102 C
Vapor density: 2.1
Vapor pressure: 27.8 mm Hg at 20 C
Specific gravity: 1.136
Flash point: 36 C
Explosion limits: lower 7.3% upper n/a


Autoignition temperature:
Critical temperature: 315 C
Critical pressure 62.3 atm

Water solubility: substantial


Now go to an NHRA event and see for yourself what it does, both good and bad. While there do what I do, ask questions to everyone you find in the pits with a race team. You will learn a ton in just one day.
 
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hmm intresting information, thanx guys :cool:
torquemonster if I just use the nitro booster can one really expect hp gains from that??
 
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There are other well suited additives for adding to your gas. You may want to look into Nitro Propane and Propolyne Oxide. I ran mixtures of those with race gas back in 1992 and 1993 in Corvettes. You just have to have a way to turn up the fuel (like with nitrous). The gains can be big and all you have to do is pour it into your gas tank. There were no fuel rules in the series I was doing then and I couldn't afford a big dollar motor. We used to use about 5 to7% Propolyne Oxide with awesome results. Propolyne oxide is an oxygen bearing liquid. Expensive additive though at about $35 / gal.

Regards,
Sean
holly crap $35/ gal how much hp did you gain from these mixtures :eek:
 

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There are other well suited additives for adding to your gas. You may want to look into Nitro Propane and Propolyne Oxide. I ran mixtures of those with race gas back in 1992 and 1993 in Corvettes. You just have to have a way to turn up the fuel (like with nitrous). The gains can be big and all you have to do is pour it into your gas tank. There were no fuel rules in the series I was doing then and I couldn't afford a big dollar motor. We used to use about 5 to7% Propolyne Oxide with awesome results. Propolyne oxide is an oxygen bearing liquid. Expensive additive though at about $35 / gal.

Regards,
Sean
holly crap $35/ gal how much hp did you gain from these mixtures :eek:

Not enough on a street car to waste your money. If you add 30% plus then you will have something. Any less is a waste of $.

Ad what about the seals etc. in the engine, can they live with the use of nitro?

Mike, Maple Grove will have the NHRA back in two weeks. Take the trip and see it live.
 
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Thanx Jerome, I would love to go, but where the heck is that???
 

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hmm intresting information, thanx guys :cool:
torquemonster if I just use the nitro booster can one really expect hp gains from that??

Check out that Snows performance website I gave to see if their nitro booster will work with what you have. I have no clue how good they are but their claims appear reasonable.
 

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Thanx Jerome, I would love to go, but where the heck is that???

I see you don't follow drag racing at all. Sorry, I don't think at times. :confused:

Maple Grove is just south west of Reading Pa. I would say about 2 and 1/2 hours from where I think you are located.



I have my rain date tickets and will be there for sure. With the low temps world records could amd more than likely will fall in all classes.


http://www.mapquest.com/directions/main.adp?go=1&do=nw&2ex=1&1n=Westchester&ct=NA&1y=US&1a=&1p=&1c=Yonkers&1s=NY&1z=&1ah=&2ex=1&2y=US&2a=&2p=&2c=Mohnton&2s=Pa&2z=19540&2ah=&lr=2&x=68&y=18


http://www.maplegroveraceway.com/
 
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