Teamtech 6-point harness

[AZTVR]

I just received my order for 6-point Teamtech harnesses. Thanks to Teamtech and Jon at PartsRack for a very quick turnaround for a custom made harness.

I very much appreciate Jon's advice and suggestions. His style was no-pressure, just suggesting possible options that he or other customers have found to be desirable , and answering my questions directly and informatively.

Jon kept me updated by email when Teamtech completed the build and provided a tracking number when shipped; which is one thing that I particularly like to see in an internet order.

I am very pleased with my order and the entire process.

Thanks Jon !

 

[Catwood]

Ditto this....mine's on the way.

 

[cash84]

Yeah Jon went over about the harness that Team Tech is the way to go. Only problem was when we were talking on a friday, I needed it by no later than Wednesday. Team Tech was closed alrighty and needed to send the ordering by monday and an extra few bucks. They put my order up first to get shipped out ASAP! I could have waited for on a Thursday but with working 10hr days and going to school full-time. He got everything in time for me. THANKS JON!!

 

[Canyon707]

not for street use.

 

[JonB]

not for street use.

You can ABSOLUTELY use these for the street, but States with mandatory seat belt laws require the inertia-reel OE belts must also be worn! Fact.

 

[escapedan]

+1 for Jon's service and knowledge.

 

[Canyon707]

totally agree with Jon on this as well. There is a lot of discussion on this and the dangers of wearing them on the street. Many posts here on this site. I had them in my car but removed them for the reasons posted. All I am saying here is caution. your body is locked in but, your head is not. Take a look at how and why the rules changed in NASCAR.

 

[cash84]

just posted that outta the blue? Mine are quick disconnect.

JonB, if you were to wear it on the street then accident happen...you be surprise how dumb some of them can be trying to figure out how to unlatch the harness. So I assume thats the main reason why they are not allowed on the streets.

 

[JonB]

Track Safety workers often go thru a course to teach them the various latch and buckle and link mechanisms on RACE HARNESSES to quickly extricate an unconscous or injured driver, even in smoke. (Main reason I like the release tabs to be contrasting colors!} Those courses also teach us to shout "Driver-Out, Driver- Out" and relay hand signals to other corners as to driver condition. God Bless Corner Workers!

The reason they are not street-legal is that they do not comply with intertia-reel safety technology as OE 3-points do. An OE belt only holds you tight during intertia events. When the car is at rest, the OE belt is almost slack.


Race harnesess are as tight as you make them. And the AIRBAGS wont hit a passenger race-harnessed in! They will just inflate and stay inflated cause your body wont likley hit them. A drivers bag will still cushion the driver

 

[escapedan]

totally agree with Jon on this as well. There is a lot of discussion on this and the dangers of wearing them on the street. Many posts here on this site. I had them in my car but removed them for the reasons posted. All I am saying here is caution. your body is locked in but, your head is not. Take a look at how and why the rules changed in NASCAR.

I was using 6-point harnesses on the street in both my 240z and Viper until I read the post about your body locked in with a harness, but not your head. I'm certainly no expert on this matter, but it does make sense. In an impact (front, side, etc) where your car is suddenly stopped (or changes directions) standard belts will allow your body some movement, hopefully reducing the strain on your neck / head. With a very tight harness your body is strapped to the seat and cannot move. That being the case, a quick stop (impact) and your head is the only part of your body that moves, possibly breaking your neck under the weight of your head continuing to move after the car (and your strapped in body) stops.

I'm fairly certain this is the purpose of a HANS device - to limit the movement of your head when harnessed to your seat, keeping your neck from breaking. I am now looking into a HANS device to accompany my harnesses for track days. I'm a fan of staying alive....

Please, correct me if I am way off base with this post as I do want to get the facts straight.

 

[Canyon707]

I was using 6-point harnesses on the street in both my 240z and Viper until I read the post about your body locked in with a harness, but not your head. I'm certainly no expert on this matter, but it does make sense. In an impact (front, side, etc) where your car is suddenly stopped (or changes directions) standard belts will allow your body some movement, hopefully reducing the strain on your neck / head. With a very tight harness your body is strapped to the seat and cannot move. That being the case, a quick stop (impact) and your head is the only part of your body that moves, possibly breaking your neck under the weight of your head continuing to move after the car (and your strapped in body) stops.

I'm fairly certain this is the purpose of a HANS device - to limit the movement of your head when harnessed to your seat, keeping your neck from breaking. I am now looking into a HANS device to accompany my harnesses for track days. I'm a fan of staying alive....

Please, correct me if I am way off base with this post as I do want to get the facts straight.

I am not a professional race car driver but an advid drag racer, I do understand physics. There are several posts on the danger of these belts worn on the street. I am not saying bad or good I had them in my car but, after many lectures on the danger of these belts on the street I took them out. End of my story. Be Safe. Do a search( new team tech harness all screwed up.) Read the posts and make your decision.

 

[Boxer12]

I don't trust OEM belts, and like to feel strapped in, so I use the lap belt of my harness, and dive belt, with the OEM belts. Remove just the shoulder harness portion for street use.

TT is a good belt, but not everyone agrees on the use of chest straps. Also, be sure to specify HANS compliant or they won't be.

 

[Leslie]

I have been looking into a HANS device and I am discovering several components need to be in place in order for it to work properly.

Please someone else chime in here, but from what I have gathered so far, the race seat, restraints, roll cage all need to be present for the HANS to provide safety....?

In other words, I don't think I would want to be tight in a raceseat with my head and neck unmovable and with a HANS on if I didn't have a rollcage...?

 

[JonB]

An OEM "Inertia Reel" belt holds your entire body tight with one transverse strap. The head is free to move just as much forward, but perhaps more laterally, in OE vs race-harnessed. The harness rash and tissue damage from one OE belt can be way worse than a harness!

An Airbag might help a race-harnessed driver, but there are HELMET issues if the airbag hits the chin of a full-face helmet if the belt is NOT fully-tight. Then, the helmet snaps backward from an airbag punch. Race cars dont use or need airbags. And some track rats pull the fuses/relays or turn off passenger side at a minimum.

A race seat with helmet 'wings' to minimize lateral head motionis a huge help on track, but NOT street legal due to view-obstruction. Endurance racers LOVE em as it rests the neck muscles.

The HANS is not attached to the roll bar, but to the helmet and anchiored by the shoulder belts. HANS can be used with or without a roll-bar, as can the Tucker Head And Neck Restraint from TeamTech.

All stated, I would only use Race Harnesses on the street as a Loose-supplement to OE belts. Leave em loose enuf to be able to reach the radio and door latches....or dont wear em on the street.
MOST State laws require OE belts be worn regardless. BE SAFE OUT THERE

 

[BigBadViper]

Intersting reading. I think my car only has the 5 points that I need to upgrade to 6. Should I put in the OE seatbelt as well?

 

[Paul Hawker]

When racing Karts I wore a "horse collar" a thickly padded ring around my neck to protect from the heavy helmet torquing my neck too much.

What are the thoughts about wearing them with harnesses on helmeted track days?

 

[JonB]

When racing Karts I wore a "horse collar" a thickly padded ring around my neck to protect from the heavy helmet torquing my neck too much. What are the thoughts about wearing them with harnesses on helmeted track days?

The time-tested safety collar can definitely minimize neck deflection and rotation in a collision. They predate the Hans device by several decades... they work best with a full face helmet, but provide protection with any helmet. Inexpensive , Hot and uncomfortable....

Team TECH still manufactures these items, and if a Hans device is not in your future you would do well to consider a few minutes of discomfort in favor of the alternative.

 

[ViperGeorge]

I have been looking into a HANS device and I am discovering several components need to be in place in order for it to work properly.

Please someone else chime in here, but from what I have gathered so far, the race seat, restraints, roll cage all need to be present for the HANS to provide safety....?

In other words, I don't think I would want to be tight in a raceseat with my head and neck unmovable and with a HANS on if I didn't have a rollcage...?

I've been using an R3 neck restraint. Pretty comfortable. I got it before Hans came out with the sliding tethers, my R3 does not have that feature so side to side movement is somewhat restricted. Not sure if they have it now. The R3 doesn't rely as much on the belts in the car since it straps around your torso with a chest strap. Works fine with 3" belts, I think Hans needs 2" shoulder belts.