Who recommended EBC Redstuffs?

[Red Snake]

I currently have OEM brakes/pads on my '01 RT/10. Very high dust and slight squealing at low speed stops. I've been considering a change to the EBC red stuff pads for the low dust and possible track time. This based on what I've read on these boards. Now I'm nervous about this decision. However, I haven't seen anyone jump in and agree with Red Snake.
One think I have noted... I WILL buy them from one of the VCA site sponsers ... Parts Rack, Big Dave's, or Viper Specialty!!
Great thread and very timely for me. Thanks for all the comments guys!

Sounds like my experience may be the exception. But it is what it is.

I am extremely frustrated after having removed the wheels and pads numerous times now. And I am no better off now then before I started.

In my previous experience with PF pads my squeeling and dusting were gone immediately with the install. I'm still not impressed with these pads.

These pads do stop well (if you don't mind squeeling).

 

[Catwood]

Squeeling pads is race like....additional bling bling for the street.

 

[Red Snake]

Squeeling pads is race like....additional bling bling for the street.

lol, I can do without that kind of bling.

 

[Chuck 98 RT/10]

For the record, I use EBC green on the street. No dust, no squeal. Spirited driving is closely regulated.

They are old EBC greens. Not sure if the new greens are any different.

 

[Brian GTS]

New greens are only slightly less dust than stock if any. Was un-pleasantly surprised how dusty new greens are compared to the old compound. Got rid of those quick.

 

[01ACR/VIPER]

Red ceramic on mine....no probs.

 

[Catwood]

For the record, I use EBC green on the street. No dust, no squeal. Spirited driving is closely regulated.

They are old EBC greens. Not sure if the new greens are any different.

Actually I do this also with the old Greens. At the rate I'm using up these pads they ought to last longer than me. I do run race pads at the track and switch back and forth. I get very little dust and no noise.

 

[JonB]

Red Snake, I put the old EBC Greens on my 95 and they are great. We put the new Greens on my dads 02 and they are terrible. We used the 3M resurfacing kit to prep the rotors perfectly. If you give up on these, I would really be curious to try them on my dads Viper. That would be an interesting test.

The reason: "Old EBC greens" were a vastly compound than "new EBC Greens"

So for LESS DUST and GOOD BRAKING we recommend REDS. The feedback has been universally POSITIVE on the latest formula.

Your mystery vendor probably had some pads mis-boxed by others.

 

[Red Snake]

I appreciate the helpful ideas.

My vendor is not a mystery and he did not send me old pads. These pads just don't perform up to my standards based on my past experience with other brands of pads.

As much as I respect the supporting vendors of this site, they are not the only ones who get the "Good" parts.

Not trying to flame here and I will glady use the supporting vendors when their prices are right. Just don't tell me that I'm having a bad experience because I didn't buy from you. I'm not that stupid and I am sure others who read this thread are not either.

Let's keep it real.

 

[Cobraken]

The green pads dust as bad as stock & no improvement in braking. Dusting minimized by the reds and I believe do slightly improve braking. Would expect more difference when hot.

 

[revived_gearhead]

I have the Reds I purchased from JonB for a year now, and couldn't be happier. I DID install new EBC rotors at the same time and have had no problems. Low dust, no noise and great stopping on the street. Good luck.

 

[Kala]

I got my Ceramic EBC Reds from Viper Specialty installed on my stock rotors by DC Performance.
They squealed for a while, now they are perfect.

 

[Red Snake]

I got my Ceramic EBC Reds from Viper Specialty installed on my stock rotors by DC Performance.
They squealed for a while, now they are perfect.

So they squeeled after they were installed and then quit squeeling after break in?

 

[Kala]

So they squeeled after they were installed and then quit squeeling after break in?

Yes, they started out squealing, I drove several hundred miles, pads are quiet and very low dust. They are not zero dust, but what I consider low dusting and easy to clean.

Try calling Dan @ DC Performance. When I called him about the noise, he said there was something that could be done that would probably help.
I just turned up the stereo louder for a while It eventually resolved itself...

 

[JonB]

I appreciate the helpful ideas.
My vendor is not a mystery and he did not send me old pads. These pads just don't perform up to my standards based on my past experience with other brands of pads.
As much as I respect the supporting vendors of this site, they are not the only ones who get the "Good" parts. Not trying to flame here and I will glady use the supporting vendors when their prices are right. Just don't tell me that I'm having a bad experience because I didn't buy from you. I'm not that stupid and I am sure others who read this thread are not either. Let's keep it real.

Keeping it real:
1) I was the FIRST to respond to your complaint, hoping a mistake had not been made by PartsRack.
2) I gave anonymous you step-by-step notice of formulation changes over the years.
3) I said your anonymous 'mystery vendor' might have had a mistake done to THEM and you.
4) I never stated your experience was due to not using PartsRack. Read again?
5) Read again the UNANIMOUS replies: your EBC 'attack' will live on, damaging that good product.
6) Only supporting lowest price sellers will sink those of us with free, accurate advice and fair, competitive prices. Get your answers here, and products on ebay = doom for small-business vendors who give to VCA. Thanks anyway.

 

[Red Snake]

Jon I appreciated your initial response and if I neglected to say so, I'm saying so now. It was a possible reason for my issues. However, I immediately investigated the issue with my vendor and determined that was not the cause. I even posted that I was sure that was not the cause.

What I didn't appreciate was your post again insinuating that the vendor (which you don't even know-because I haven't divulged) was still somehow at fault. That post indicated (to me) that I had problems simply because I didn't buy from you. I take offense to that. I have a right to spend my money where I see fit.

The issue is simple. The EBC Reds do not perform to my standards. I won't buy them again. That's the long and the short. Sorry if that's a problem for you. I didn't intend it to be but I have the right to fairly report my experiences.


If I took your responses out of context and misread the intent of your posts, you have my most sincere apologies. I simply wanted a brake pad that would work without dust and squeel. I have yet to find it.

 

[Sweet Ride]

I admit that I didn't bother to read all the posts here, but I have EBC Greens on my car now and I am not enamored with them. After a nice washing, my rims are completely dirty within three days and I asure you I am not ******* my pads. And to be completely truthful I had never heard of EBC until I bought a Viper.

Next time my car needs pads, I will probably go back to Hawk. I used them on other street cars for years and have been very happy with them. I recommend the HP Plus pads.

As for rotors, I'm sure lots of people use the EBC's as well, but I never hear any mention of Baer brakes. They make front and rear rotors for Vipers and yet I never hear of anyone using them. Are EBC's that good? So much so that (it seems anyway) that everyone on this forum uses them? Just because a lot of people recommend something, doesn't make it right for everyone.

That's my $.02 on that.

Check out my post here about brake noise:

http://forums.viperclub.org/rt-10-gts-discussions/611863-breaks.html

Hopefully it helps...

 

[JonB]

I admit that I didn't bother to read all the posts here, but I have EBC Greens on my car now and I am not enamored with them. After a nice washing, my rims are completely dirty within three days and I asure you I am not ******* my pads. And to be completely truthful I had never heard of EBC until I bought a Viper.

As for rotors, I'm sure lots of people use the EBC's as well, but I never hear any mention of Baer brakes. They make front and rear rotors for Vipers and yet I never hear of anyone using them. Are EBC's that good? So much so that (it seems anyway) that everyone on this forum uses them? Just because a lot of people recommend something, doesn't make it right for everyone.

The thread is about EBC REDS. If you get the correct advise, and your goal is low dust, this thread is proof that EBC REDS in the newest formulation provide that (for apparently all but 1 poster here. Maybe he rides his brake pedal, or has dragging calipers, who knows?) EBC GREENS in the most recent formulation are NOT low dust. As bad as OE pads. Cost per mile, EBC are the best, and if you select the correct temp range and compound, you will (probably)like them too....right up to hard-core track use BLUE or intermediate use YELLOW.
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Thanks for your mention of Baer Brake Rotors...PartsRack has 2pc Baer Eradispeed rotors IN STOCK for Gen 1 and Gen 2 Vipers, and SRT10s soon. They are a GREAT street and casual performance rotor, not severe duty. Great appearance, great value, high BLING and nicely under $1200/set of 4...... Venom even lower.

Note: Slotted and / or drilled rotors (Obviously) create more dust than plain rotors.

 

[Cobraken]

Have the EBC reds on my Viper. Just picked up my Ram SRT 10 from the shop having put on some new reds and there was no squealing at all.

 

[Red Snake]

I'm still giving the Redstuffs a fair chance to work out. My car is not a daily driver so I don't have enough break-in miles on them yet to have a definitive answer. I hope the squeeling stops after the break in period but I really don't expect it to, since it's only coming from one wheel. I'll try to get some more miles on them this weekend.

I do have drilled and slotted rotors so that may be causing more dust than most get. And since it keeps getting mentioned repeatedly on this thread I'll say it once more with clarity I HAVE THE MOST RECENT FORMULATION of pads. They are NOT old carbon metallic pads. I don't know why that eludes comprehension.

I do not ride my brakes and I don't think I have a dragging caliper. I have no squeel when the brakes are first applied (at higher speeds) and I cannot hear the brakes dragging when my foot is not on the pedal. It only squeels while braking and when the car is almost stopped. Like from 10 mph until the car stops moving.

 

[Brian GTS]

Red Snake - IMO, to avoid all of this confusion, and to ensure you are getting the absolute newest and best quality products and customer service for your Viper, buy from a supporting vendor such as Partsrack. I learned this years ago. Besides, I don’t see your “vendor” posting here to offer feedback on the issue, only John for which you did not buy from. When it comes Vipers, buying from a VCA sponsored vendor is a must in my book.

 

[Viper Specialty]

only John for which you did not buy from.

Hey, what are we? Chopped Liver!?!?

 

[Brian GTS]

Oh yea, Kudos to Dan too. Sorry Dan!

 

[Sweet Ride]

The thread is about EBC REDS. If you get the correct advise, and your goal is low dust, this thread is proof that EBC REDS in the newest formulation provide that (for apparently all but 1 poster here. Maybe he rides his brake pedal, or has dragging calipers, who knows?) EBC GREENS in the most recent formulation are NOT low dust. As bad as OE pads. Cost per mile, EBC are the best, and if you select the correct temp range and compound, you will (probably)like them too....right up to hard-core track use BLUE or intermediate use YELLOW.
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Thanks for your mention of Baer Brake Rotors...PartsRack has 2pc Baer Eradispeed rotors IN STOCK for Gen 1 and Gen 2 Vipers, and SRT10s soon. They are a GREAT street and casual performance rotor, not severe duty. Great appearance, great value, high BLING and nicely under $1200/set of 4...... Venom even lower.

Note: Slotted and / or drilled rotors (Obviously) create more dust than plain rotors.

My comparison for the greens was based on Hawk and Performance Friction pads that I have used previously on other vehicles (not Vipers). IMHO the greens create a lot of dust (vs. the other brands), but I don't have a stock Viper comparison because I bought the car with the greens on it. My goal isn't necessarily low dust. I just think the greens are excessive. If the reds work as well as everyone says they do, perhaps I will make the switch when it's time.

I love Baer products and now that I know you carry them, I will likely give you a call when I need/want the rotors.

 

[Red Snake]

Red Snake - IMO, to avoid all of this confusion, and to ensure you are getting the absolute newest and best quality products and customer service for your Viper, buy from a supporting vendor such as Partsrack. I learned this years ago. Besides, I don’t see your “vendor” posting here to offer feedback on the issue, only John for which you did not buy from. When it comes Vipers, buying from a VCA sponsored vendor is a must in my book.

I think the vendor issue has already been beaten enough. I appreciate Jon and Daniels input and there is no confusion here.

I expected better results than I got with the product I purchased and I'm now working to resolve the issue.

The rest of the situation is a dead issue as far as I am concerned.

 

[fqberful]

Have the EBC reds on my Viper. Just picked up my Ram SRT 10 from the shop having put on some new reds and there was no squealing at all.

Not sure what year your SRT10 Truck is but what part number were the EBC Reds for that? I've been looking all over and can't seem to find an EBC red for my truck.

 

[JonB]

PartsRack has EBC Red for SRT-Ram FRONT but not made for rears (Green Rears ok?)
WALKER did get his RAM and VIPER REds here (Thanks K) and we even have a set of rear greens if you want them to go with front reds. THANKS