06' Real World Experiences

[MuscleJunkie]

Just curious of some of your real world experiences on (Stock to Stock) 06 Coupes vs:

03-06 Verts
06-08 Z06
01-04 Z06

Sometimes you read some of the car rags and it seems that some are so full of BS. Thats why I am curious to hear about some real world experiences.

 

[Twister]

HMMMMM....

Ill gfive you my real data and then honest opinion..

My 1999 rt10 had

-KN's
-smooth tubes
-roller rockers
-no cats
-AEM tune

And dynoed 445 rwhp SAE...

Never took it to a track but used my bell tronics timer well over 50 times with it and the fastest she went was 12.2 at 121.7 mph

( note...when we had a drag strip here in Hawaii I used the timer at the drag strip on many ocassions to test the accuracy and it was always within 1.5 tenths and 1.5 mph of the actual time slip..Sometimes it was dead on)

With my 2003 SRT having...

-KN's
-roller rockers...She dynoed 459 rwhp SAE on the same dyno and out of 20 runs with these mods ran a 11.97 at 122.2 mph at the same location with the same timer...

Point of this? To me the SRT10 is a bit faster than the gen2's stock for stock and mod for mod...

But your question reguards the 06 coupes..Not my 2003 SRT10..

Heres some info..


Motor trend 2004 vert....11.7 at 123

Motor Trend 2003 vert....11.7 at 123

Car and driver 2003 vert....12.1 at 121

Popular mechanics coupe.....12.1 at 121

Motor trend coupe...........12.1 at 120

Road and track 2005 vert....12.1 at 119

Road and track coupe........12.3 at 118


because of the verts 3390 pounds VS the coupes 3440 pounds the vert has perhaps a tenth and .5 mph advantage over the coupe in the 1/4 mile...How ever the coupe has slightly better arodynamics and reaches 195 mph VS the verts 192 mph..

TOO CLOSE TO CALL


NOW TO THE 06-08 Z06...

A Z06 will trapp 122-127 mph...Easily dorfing the 118-123 mph trapps posted above. Ive raced them and even with 470 rwhp SAE my Viper still looses by 1-2 cars from 70-140 mph...

Ive herd several stories of stock 445 rwhp Vipers loosing to the C6z06 by 3 car lengths from 70-140 mph..As well most videos will show the Z06 starting to walk away to the tune of 2-3 cars by shut down around 130-150 mph..

SRT10 is fast..Z06 is faster ( still rather have a Viper over a vette though any day..Been there done that and theyre BORING and common)


SRT10 VRS a 2001 Z06...Well a 93 Viper could give one a good race and this is a no contest. Your comparing a 112-116 mph trapping car to a 119-122 mph trapping car..Total differant league..

But the 2002-2004 Z06 is a lil faster with it's 114-117 mph trapps...But still not nearly fast enough...

The Gen2 viper has been known to walk the 2002 Z06 by 2-3 cars at 100-140 mph..And the SRT10 will pull a few cars on the gen2 at the same speeds...So the 2002 Z06 will be a solid 5 cars back at 140 mph ( I actually have a race lined up with a stockish one next week)


HONEST OPINION

-A COUPE WILL BEAT A GEN2 BY 2 TENTHS WITH EVERYTHING BEING EQUAL

-A COUPE WILL LOOSE TO A VERT BY A TENTH WITH EVERYTHING BEING EQUAL

-A COUPE WILL LOOSE TO A Z06 BY 4 TENTHS WITH EVERYTHING BEING EQUAL

-A COUPE WILL BEAT A 2001 Z06 BY 6 TENTHS WITH EVERYTHING BEING EQUAL

-A COUPE WILL BEAT A 2002 Z06 BY 4 TENTHS WITH EVERYTHING BEING EQUAL

 

[DMan]

In my track experience all of these comparos are a drivers race stock for stock.

I say that cause I don't drag race much so I'm not great, but decent.

I've run against C6Z06 now 4 times, won 3 times, my ET's were between 11.9-12.1, theirs were 12.0-12.3 I was consistent 122.X MPH, they were 121-124 MPH. I thought they were better drivers than me, they had racing shoes, gloves, etc. I had a hoody & my dirt bike helmet, but you never know. I was bone stock including runcraps & temp tag still on the car. I assumed they were too, they said they were.

With cars running within .4 secs of each other, it really is about the drivers, I know we get caught sometimes on these ETs and .4 secs is a huge difference, but really it's not much time - a momentary catch on a shift, a slight tire spin, farting, anything can swag less than half a sec.

I do think the C6Z06 chould be faster, if no other reason than gearing, if we had 3.55s, things would be far more fun @ the drag strip.

No exp with C5's.

Best I ever did, the one time I took my 2000 RT/10 to the track, with only K&N and smooth tubes was 12.0 @ 118mph for reference.

I'm in MD an tracks are just about at sea level.

 

[MuscleJunkie]

Thanks both - GREAT information and insights.

 

[Twister]

In my track experience all of these comparos are a drivers race stock for stock.

I say that cause I don't drag race much so I'm not great, but decent.

I've run against C6Z06 now 4 times, won 3 times, my ET's were between 11.9-12.1, theirs were 12.0-12.3 I was consistent 122.X MPH, they were 121-124 MPH. I thought they were better drivers than me, they had racing shoes, gloves, etc. I had a hoody & my dirt bike helmet, but you never know. I was bone stock including runcraps & temp tag still on the car. I assumed they were too, they said they were.

With cars running within .4 secs of each other, it really is about the drivers, I know we get caught sometimes on these ETs and .4 secs is a huge difference, but really it's not much time - a momentary catch on a shift, a slight tire spin, farting, anything can swag less than half a sec.

I do think the C6Z06 chould be faster, if no other reason than gearing, if we had 3.55s, things would be far more fun @ the drag strip.

No exp with C5's.

Best I ever did, the one time I took my 2000 RT/10 to the track, with only K&N and smooth tubes was 12.0 @ 118mph for reference.

I'm in MD an tracks are just about at sea level.

I should mention that froma dig race to 130 mph I am usually the victor between my 470 rwhp SRT10 and my buddies stock 455 rwhp Z06..But were talking 1/2 a car here and it's very close..

But on a roll he imediatly pulls me every time..You can really see the differance in gearing off the initial hit on a roll race.

And yes all these cars are a drivers race minus the 2001 Z06..Im sorry but you should be able to drink coffee while you pull away from those stock for stock...12.0 will just run away from 12.6..The 2002 Z06's 12.4 is a bit more of a challange...

Anyways if you dont already have a 2006 coupe then go get one. Im starting to beleave that a paxtoned 2006 coupe for 60ishK is the best deal in the world right now AND MAY OPT FOR IT OVER THE 2008...

Even if you just have the basic paxton kit and dyno on the lower side at 620 rwhp SAE..Well thats still 130 PLUS mph trapps, and nonthing short of a cammed bolt on C6Z06/fully built Supra is gonna be able to even look in your direction

 

[Hamrhead]

The closest experience I have to that is at the strip at Englishtown NJ earlier this year.

My bone stock '06 Coupe vs. a 2000 Vette. What are they, 350 hp LS1?

Anyway, he was a nice guy and had a nice car, but really needed practice when it comes to racing it. He went mid 13's at ~106'ish.

On my 3rd run ever with the car, I went a best of 11.90 @ 122.34 with a mediocre 1.94 60'. Given some more time to 'learn' the car, I feel as if I could've further improved on that time. Not to mention the weather was 70 degrees and humid that day, which isn't quite ideal. Only got 4 runs in that day, and since then I've done a few mods which include Filters, Corsa, DC Tune, and 3.55's.

I went back to the strip (Atco, NJ) about a month ago. I did pull a few low 1.8 60's, which I owe to the Gears, but mid-track was greasy to say the least. I went sideways on both the 1-2 shift and the 2-3 shift, on and off the gas. Then to top it off, I missed 4th! Somehow I managed an 11.85 @ 120 on that run. Hopefully in the Spring I can try again on a sticky track as I feel my car is good for at least 11.5's now.

There are so many factors that come into play when it comes to ET, IMO, the small weight difference between the Coupe and Vert doesn't make a difference.

 

[MuscleJunkie]

Thanks again

 

[Twister]

The closest experience I have to that is at the strip at Englishtown NJ earlier this year.

My bone stock '06 Coupe vs. a 2000 Vette. What are they, 350 hp LS1?

Anyway, he was a nice guy and had a nice car, but really needed practice when it comes to racing it. He went mid 13's at ~106'ish.

On my 3rd run ever with the car, I went a best of 11.90 @ 122.34 with a mediocre 1.94 60'. Given some more time to 'learn' the car, I feel as if I could've further improved on that time. Not to mention the weather was 70 degrees and humid that day, which isn't quite ideal. Only got 4 runs in that day, and since then I've done a few mods which include Filters, Corsa, DC Tune, and 3.55's.

I went back to the strip (Atco, NJ) about a month ago. I did pull a few low 1.8 60's, which I owe to the Gears, but mid-track was greasy to say the least. I went sideways on both the 1-2 shift and the 2-3 shift, on and off the gas. Then to top it off, I missed 4th! Somehow I managed an 11.85 @ 120 on that run. Hopefully in the Spring I can try again on a sticky track as I feel my car is good for at least 11.5's now.

There are so many factors that come into play when it comes to ET, IMO, the small weight difference between the Coupe and Vert doesn't make a difference.

In the real world 50-60 pounds isnt much of a differance...

but if a professional viper driver got 10 runs with an vert and 10 runs with a coupe alternating between them both after each run..

EXAMPLE..

coupe
vert
coupe
vert
coupe
vert ect......

I think you would see that on average the vert is .5 tenths and .5 mph faster than the coupe due to the weight differance..

Sounds like nonthing right?????

Well a 12.06 at 122.2 sounds better than a 12.11 at 121.7

12.0 at 122 VS 12.1 at 121 is what people/mags would say..

Now to me it dosent matter and the car needs mods anyways IMHO..But to awnswer the guys question in the 1/4 mile the vert is just a nudge faster with every thing equal

 

[Scratch]

Prior to the late model ZO6, the common Vette owner belief is/was, Viper will win...always. Unless you can pull ahead of the Viper in first (while the Viper is spinning tires) you may pull out a lead...and then subject to driver vs. driver.

 

[MuscleJunkie]

In the real world 50-60 pounds isnt much of a differance...

but if a professional viper driver got 10 runs with an vert and 10 runs with a coupe alternating between them both after each run..

EXAMPLE..

coupe
vert
coupe
vert
coupe
vert ect......

I think you would see that on average the vert is .5 tenths and .5 mph faster than the coupe due to the weight differance..

Sounds like nonthing right?????

Well a 12.06 at 122.2 sounds better than a 12.11 at 121.7

12.0 at 122 VS 12.1 at 121 is what people/mags would say..

Now to me it dosent matter and the car needs mods anyways IMHO..But to awnswer the guys question in the 1/4 mile the vert is just a nudge faster with every thing equal

Has anyone ever given this a try? Thanks for the great info.

 

[Twister]

No ones tried it but it's the same exact engine with one car weighing a lil less..As well the mags seemed to be just a lil faster with the vert...As well the fastest claims of 123-124 mph were done in the verts. The coupes seem maxed at 122.*** mph..

But again...Some mods on eighter car and 120-123 mph is nonthing much anyways

 

[Viper X]

I would also give the Viper vert the nod over the coupe, but by the smallest of margins. It's a drivers race.

Viper vs early Z06, not very close, Viper wins.

Viper vs late model Z06 is a drivers race, though if the driver's are equal, the Z06 with lighter weight, lower gears and a bit higher reving engine should win.

Now, late model Z06 vs 2008 Viper, Viper wins again.

On a road course, it's all driver. I do beleive that with the traction control off in the Vette, the Viper has a pretty good advantage. I think Caroll Shelby said it best, "horsepower sells cars, but torque wins races".

Dan