Like on all forums, It appears that there are several types of posts on this forum, including some by a few trolls, some that lean towards pessimism, and some that are optimistic about the Gen V. We are all a mix of optimism and pessimism to some degree. The trolls are not worth responding to. They are negative people just trying to pi$$ you off and stir up some $hit. Typically unhappy in life and down on their luck, they want others to feel as crappy as they do. Then there are the optimists. In life, I'm typically optimistic, like a lot of my fellow VCA brothers. I see the good in things when it is present, I try not to whine or dwell on what I cannot change. I see a heck of a lot of good in the Gen V- I see a rolling work of art with world class performance, a gorgeous interior, I see the fruits of perseverance of an American car company through dark times. The only cars that have turned faster laps at Seca at the hands of MT are a couple of Corvettes (American), a McLaren, a Lambo, and the mighty Viper ACR (a Viper, and American!). It BEAT the Ferrari 458, R8, GT-R, and Lexus LFA!!! On its maiden voyage, no less. I have the advantage of having not owned a Viper when they were world dominators, mainly because I couldn't afford one until now, so I'm not affected by that like so many here are. And I didn't expect perfection in the Gen V, not from cash-strapped SRT coming out of bankruptcy. I am a design engineer and know what its like to make compromises to meet budget and schedule constraints in the real world. Ralph and team did much of the development in secret before telling Fiat - I guarantee he didn't have deep pockets. We are lucky to have a new Viper at all! We can and have debated whether SRT made the right choices, my opinion is they did an exceptional job. I know many don't agree. I now have a Gen V on order, and am absolutely ecstatic! I will track the car a few times a year, so performance is very important. But 95% of the time, I will be enjoying it on the roads with my friends and my lady. Weekend getaways, out to a nice restaurant, or just driven to work when the weather is nice. So performance is not the only criteria, or I would've saved money and bought a used ZO6 or a fugly GT-R. Pessimism has its strengths too. Certainly SRT has received solid constructive feedback on how to improve the Viper and what should go into the Gen V ACR. Nobody is obligated to like the Gen V, but what surprises me is the level of pessimism on this forum. I've been on a number of forums over the years and have never seen this level of venom, LOL. Not on the Camaro site when I owned one, nor on the Challenger site. It leaves a bad taste in the mouth for this new VCA member. If you don't like the car, say so but at a certain point it becomes repetitive and sometimes whiny. If you've made your point, leave it at that. If you're that disappointed with the Gen V, why are you still posting on the Gen V forum? You clearly won't be buying it, so move on and let those of us who are considering buying one have meaningful dialogue. I hope didn't offend anyone, sorry if that's the case. Happy New Year, my fellow VCA members.