Viper ACR Roadster

[PJ9454]

Quote Originally Posted by TheMilkman View Post
The best quote in the comments!

" Still, why do Vipers always have to be painted in such loud shades of "I need attention because daddy never loved me" yellow? "


Why would you buy a performance car that was not cool looking too? I want a performance car, can you paint it sort of bland? I would like a really hot girlfriend, but she had better not dress in anything nice when we go out on the town. ***?

 

[v10enomous]

This 1 of 1 car showed up at Snakes alive last month... Jaw dropping...

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[InjectTheVenom]

Excuse me while I go get my drool bucket ....

 

[v10enomous]

This one was actually built with headers and some other power mods form Woodhouse I believe the owner said. The verts also have different aero.

 

[PDCjonny]

Front aero is the same but the wing has a lower sleeker profile that fits the car just right.
Anybody with a vert thinking of putting a wing on it should use that factory one only, the regular ACR wing's (or ANY wing designed for a coupe) look ridiculous on a vert.
Look at pictures of PythonPete's ACR, it's perfect.

 

[v10enomous]

I would have sworn that the owner said that the Verts were completely re-engineered in the wind tunnel and the there are some subtle changes to the front aero as well.

Front aero is the same but the wing has a lower sleeker profile that fits the car just right.
Anybody with a vert thinking of putting a wing on it should use that factory one only, the regular ACR wing's (or ANY wing designed for a coupe) look ridiculous on a vert.
Look at pictures of PythonPete's ACR, it's perfect.

 

[PDCjonny]

I would have sworn that the owner said that the Verts were completely re-engineered in the wind tunnel and the there are some subtle changes to the front aero as well.

I have seen PythonPete's many times and his front end splitter and canards are identical to mine.

 

[mjorgensen Woodhouse]

The front end is the same treatment as normal ACR's, but the rear wing was designed and tuned in the wind tunnel for us before the cars were built so that part of the aero is very unique and an awesome part of the Woodhouse Editions Bill Pemberton envisioned for us.

Just one of the perks for being the largest SRT dealer in the history of SRT.

I would have sworn that the owner said that the Verts were completely re-engineered in the wind tunnel and the there are some subtle changes to the front aero as well.

 

[B & R]

The Verts don't use the track blade on the front to offset the reduced downforce from the lowered rear wing. They use the street blade.

Richard

 

[Steve-Indy]

Agreed, B & R...our ACR Vert did not come with the front centerpiece that I have seen on the coupes.

 

[PDCjonny]

The verts do not come with the track extension, but the inference was the splitter itself was somehow different in design and it is not. You could screw the extension on the vert if you chose to. The mounting is the same.

 

[v10enomous]

The verts do not come with the track extension, but the inference was the splitter itself was somehow different in design and it is not. You could screw the extension on the vert if you chose to. The mounting is the same.

This is probably what the owner was talking about. He also said that there is some speculation that the vert is as fast or maybe faster at the ring.

 

[Steve-Indy]

Thanks for the info, ViperJon...think we'll leave it stock...you, know...ACR "soft core".

 

[PJ9454]

He said: "there is some speculation that the vert is as fast or maybe faster at the ring."

C'mon, a convertible faster on a high speed track like the 'ring? I am gonna need proof of that. Playing the averages, that simply makes no sense at all. The other things this guy said didn't pan out either (wind tunnel, different pieces than an ACR) Hmmm Makes you wonder where folks get their info.

 

[PDCjonny]

There is also some speculation this guy doesn't know jack about the car he owns.
He's kinda proven it.

 

[shine]

He said: "there is some speculation that the vert is as fast or maybe faster at the ring."

C'mon, a convertible faster on a high speed track like the 'ring? I am gonna need proof of that. Playing the averages, that simply makes no sense at all. The other things this guy said didn't pan out either (wind tunnel, different pieces than an ACR) Hmmm Makes you wonder where folks get their info.

I could have sworn that Bill P told me when I bought mine that the front aero was different from a coupe ACR as well, when I asked him about the track extension. If not from him, then I read it somewhere.

I just looked up our email exchange on 9/7/10, right after I took delivery and here's what he wrote to me:

Glad you are one happy camper and the rear wing is different from others but not adjustable like a Coupe -- this is due to the differences in drag/wind tolerance on the convertible. Same reason for no front extension -- it creates too much downforce. The wing and splitter are wind tunnel designed specifically for the convertible.

Maybe misinterpreting that last statement led to the confusion, but I too was under the impression that it was "slightly tweaked" on the front splitter.

Live and you learn. I'm sure the driver that was repeating such things wasn't that much of a ******* -- I've certainly repeated things too without necessarily verifying.

 

[v10enomous]

On the surface I agree that a vert being faster at the ring doesn't seem to make sense but technically these ACR verts can't be considered for factory production car records because they are dealer modified and have a power advantage at least with the exhaust. These cars are kind of like the Yenko cars from way back in that regard. It would be interesting to see one at the Ring with the additional power and reduced down force drag.

He said: "there is some speculation that the vert is as fast or maybe faster at the ring."

C'mon, a convertible faster on a high speed track like the 'ring? I am gonna need proof of that. Playing the averages, that simply makes no sense at all. The other things this guy said didn't pan out either (wind tunnel, different pieces than an ACR) Hmmm Makes you wonder where folks get their info.

 

[shine]

On the surface I agree that a vert being faster at the ring doesn't seem to make sense but technically these ACR verts can't be considered for factory production car records because they are dealer modified and have a power advantage at least with the exhaust. These cars are kind of like the Yenko cars from way back in that regard. It would be interesting to see one at the Ring with the additional power and reduced down force drag.

I don't know that I agree with that statement. Woodhouse didn't modify them unless ordered that way. They're factory-made, and have the same stock exhaust as all other Vipers. The 1-of-1 above was modified by Woodhouse before he took delivery, but is not representative of the others (in particular, mine, which is unmodified).

 

[PDCjonny]

On the surface I agree that a vert being faster at the ring doesn't seem to make sense but technically these ACR verts can't be considered for factory production car records because they are dealer modified and have a power advantage at least with the exhaust. These cars are kind of like the Yenko cars from way back in that regard. It would be interesting to see one at the Ring with the additional power and reduced down force drag.

They have the same exhaust as all other ACR's.
The guy at your show had his car modified by Woodhouse at additional cost they do not come that way stock.
There is no way a vert with the SAME exact power, more drag from open top and less downforce is going to be faster, it defies physics and logic.
The ZR1 has no drag from a wing too...how did it do?

 

[Austin]

I heart the ACR vert.

 

[v10enomous]

They have the same exhaust as all other ACR's.
The guy at your show had his car modified by Woodhouse at additional cost they do not come that way stock.
There is no way a vert with the SAME exact power, more drag from open top and less downforce is going to be faster, it defies physics and logic.
The ZR1 has no drag from a wing too...how did it do?

We agree that the Vert shouldn't be as fast. I said that it wouldn't make sense, but I would think that the wind tunnel testing was done with the top and the windows up... I wasn't really sure if the ACR verts could be considered factory stock.

 

[Pythonpete]

On the surface I agree that a vert being faster at the ring doesn't seem to make sense but technically these ACR verts can't be considered for factory production car records because they are dealer modified and have a power advantage at least with the exhaust. These cars are kind of like the Yenko cars from way back in that regard. It would be interesting to see one at the Ring with the additional power and reduced down force drag.

The car was NOT modified by the dealer. They came from the factory this way.

 

[Steve-Indy]

This may help to refresh a few memories...from the AutoBlog link below:

http://www.autoblog.com/2010/07/19/viper-acr-roadster-built-for-no-1-dealer-before-production-ende/


"Being the number one Dodge Viper dealership for 11 years has its perks – like being able to pick up the phone and tell the suits up at Auburn Hills that you'd like a convertible version of the diabolical Viper ACR. According to AutoWeek, that's exactly what Woodhouse Dodge did after
hearing that its cash cow was headed to the slaughterhouse, and surprisingly enough, Dodge obliged. What resulted was a mere 20 examples of a drop-top ACR, complete the coupe's tweaked suspension, mammoth brakes and special final gears in the transmission.

If you're thinking that hacking the roof off of a standard ACR-X is bound to play havoc with the car's rigidity and aerodynamics, you're probably
right. That's exactly why the ACR crew had to completely reinvent the roadster's aero package with a stubbier rear wing and a redesigned front splitter – just to suit the ******* car. As for rigidity, well, that's just a sacrifice buyers are going to have to be willing to make. Dodge built just 20 of the cars for Woodhouse, complete with the same 21B build code set aside for the hard top cars. If you want one, get on the horn with Woodhouse Dodge in Blair, Nebraska. Just make sure you've got $107,310 to blow at the same time. Short of cash?
Dream the impossible dream by checking out AutoWeek's photos at the link below.
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I hope this info helps!!







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[PDCjonny]

And I can personally vouch for the fact Pete's vert is slow as shiittt.....

 

[v10enomous]

And I can personally vouch for the fact Pete's vert is slow as shiittt.....

That's funny

 

[Pythonpete]

And I can personally vouch for the fact Pete's vert is slow as shiittt.....

Says the man that won't drive above 55

 

[Austin]

We need pics of said slow ACR vert.

Says the man that won't drive above 55

 

[Pythonpete]

Jon can post them, he has tons of photo's of my car. As you can tell he's OBSESSED!

Here are 2, can't figure out how to post them

http://www.flickr.com/photos/9kphotography/5978707647/sizes/l/in/set-72157627288642678/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/9kphotography/5979276450/in/set-72157627288642678/lightbox/

 

[PDCjonny]

Here you go Austin.

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[Voodoo Rob]

Speculating but it sure seems the 20 ACR verts will hold strong value, likely better than the GTS-Rs. Time will tell.