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Tabs1
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Its a 301K + euro race car for the street built with Audi parts.
Newport Viper
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Funny I saw that car at the ring a month ago. I took some close up pictures of it. It looks ok up close. Kit car look to it. I will post pics here soon.
BigBadViper
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weighs in at 432 lbs???
Motorcycles weigh more than that.
Motorcycles weigh more than that.
Kevan
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"Hey clownie....move your knee!!!"
So now the rule is: (2) Vehicles = Production?
So now the rule is: (2) Vehicles = Production?
Lawrenzo
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I bet a Formula 1 car can break the ACR record too
KNG SNKE
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I bet a Formula 1 car can break the ACR record too
Only a "Production" formula 1.
Warfang
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Warfang
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The label "production" should be better defined... like "must be street legal in the top 5-10 auto sales countries in the world". I could care less what some guy in his shop hacks up.
ivanrho
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The thing weighs as much as a Mini Cooper. Street legal race car? I'm sure there are no airbags in this thing. And have you see what's it like to get in and out? And the driving position? This thing is a race car with body panels regardless of what claims they wish to make. Oh, and don't expect picking one up at your local Audi dealer. It's not even coming over here.
Detlef
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That's probably the engine weight.
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Gumpert Sportwagenmanufaktur
300.000 EURO. 35 cars (perhaps) built.
2000 pounds weight.
650 hp.
Lots of MTM technique in the car.
Gumpert is a very very small car manufacturer in fact ... with lots of financial troubles ...how many cars they have actually build is not known. But customers seem to be not very happy with the quality of the cars...(found on German car forums).
300.000 EURO. 35 cars (perhaps) built.
2000 pounds weight.
650 hp.
Lots of MTM technique in the car.
Gumpert is a very very small car manufacturer in fact ... with lots of financial troubles ...how many cars they have actually build is not known. But customers seem to be not very happy with the quality of the cars...(found on German car forums).
Looks like 2600 lbs on their site: http://www.gumpert.de/eng/index_html.html
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Probably, they have different models and I did not check all of them ... the RING car was about 1000 kg or LESS 
Warfang
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Probably, they have different models and I did not check all of them ... the RING car was about 1000 kg or LESS
Everybody's so desperate to beat the 7:22 that they have to resort to loopholes. It's sad really.
Kevan
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NOT defending the Gumpert, but.....what about the Lamborghini Reventon?
They only made 20 of those.
I agree with the other posters here: We need a CLEAR definition of what "production" is.
I might start a thread to discuss.
01ACR/VIPER
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NOT defending the Gumpert, but.....what about the Lamborghini Reventon?
They only made 20 of those.
I agree with the other posters here: We need a CLEAR definition of what "production" is.
I might start a thread to discuss.
The Lamborghini Reventon did not claim to beat the ACR.
But I`m sure it could.
Kevan
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I was referring to the definition of "Production".The Lamborghini Reventon did not claim to beat the ACR.
But I`m sure it could.
Not the definition of "King Of The 'Ring".
I don’t consider this a ‘production’ car. No ABS, air bags, DRL, HMSL and I don’t even think it has DOT legal seat belts and just forget about emission and noise regulations. I really doubt that the front end of that car meets any crash standard outside of India. Also no dealerships – what production car has ZERO dealerships?
I will say that the car is very, very impressive and should compete well in whatever series it fits in. I know that Top Gear tested the car but Clarkson wasn't the tester because he couldn't fit into the car. If I remember correctly the seat wasn't adjustable. Hammond tested it and was quite impressed. It's a very, very cool car - and wicked fast, no doubt about it.
My opinion is - ‘the ACR is still king’. Your opinion may differ.
Greg
I will say that the car is very, very impressive and should compete well in whatever series it fits in. I know that Top Gear tested the car but Clarkson wasn't the tester because he couldn't fit into the car. If I remember correctly the seat wasn't adjustable. Hammond tested it and was quite impressed. It's a very, very cool car - and wicked fast, no doubt about it.
My opinion is - ‘the ACR is still king’. Your opinion may differ.
Greg
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Records are made to be broken, congrats. to them. Doesn't sound like a "production" car by any standard I've ever heard of. Remember when there was like 500 cars built to be certified-was that with the Cobra-or the Boss429- maybe the Superbird? Can't recall. Oh well, maybe next time the ACR 'takes a crack at it', the driver will not only know 'the ring', but will also know the ACR. This is not said to minimize the driver who drove it last time, he did a great job with it for having not driven it before, at least that was the way I read it. Part of it might have been the gearing-hit the rev limiter a bunch. But, isn't it interesting how rules get changed when Viper wins-Weight addition- restrictors-whatever? I can't believe they had a "ringer at the ring", can you?
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Warfang
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NOT defending the Gumpert, but.....what about the Lamborghini Reventon?
They only made 20 of those.
I agree with the other posters here: We need a CLEAR definition of what "production" is.
I might start a thread to discuss.
The Reventon would be street legal here, and in most major industrial countries.
Maybe this Apollo needs an * next to its time at the Ring like Barry Bonds and the home run record. I certainly don't think this car qualifies as a street-ready "production" car if there's nowhere to buy one. I'd love to go over to my local Audi dealer and ask to see a Gumpert Apollo - just to see if they even know what it is
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Frankster
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Never heard of the car. Prediction.....it will end up within the same obscurity from whence it came.
jk
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If you look at the list at Nürburgring lap times - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia you will see there are at least two "production" cars listed faster than the Viper ACR time. (I would not call them production cars...) and a whole slew of competition and racing cars with faster lap times.
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There's a Saleen S7tt that did about 6:30. (No, not production spec). We can play that game, too.
Newport Viper
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Glad you brought this back up Vic. When I was at the Ring for the F-1 race I saw this car. I was really a piece of crap build wise. Looked cool though.
Bet people said that about the Viper in 92' too! LOL
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Bet people said that about the Viper in 92' too! LOL
Oh thats the worlds fastest rollercoaster behind the car too! Ring Racer: World’s Fastest Roller Coaster Now Open | Coaster Portal
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Mopar Boy
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Slick! Funny you should take pics of it and then we all start talking about this odd car! 
Yeah, with only a handful built, is it considered a record for the books regardless of if we think it is right or not? I agree, the Viper has the title from production car point of view, but if we want to get into specialty, 1 off cars, there are alot of options and possiblities.
Let me go build a V10 lawn mower and take a trip at the ring...I will call it a production unit as it will be a big production when I race that thing.
Yeah, with only a handful built, is it considered a record for the books regardless of if we think it is right or not? I agree, the Viper has the title from production car point of view, but if we want to get into specialty, 1 off cars, there are alot of options and possiblities.
Let me go build a V10 lawn mower and take a trip at the ring...I will call it a production unit as it will be a big production when I race that thing.
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