Quickest/fastest DIY gen2 Paxton 1/4 mile ??

[1TONY1]

Curious what the quickest/fastest Paxton DIY is on a gen2. 1/4 mile ? 1/8 mile ? MPH ? sixty foot ? I just don't hear much of anything about them running on the track.

Rules:
Stock long block
headers and exhaust ok
any fuel
Out of the box DIY...no tuner upgrades/systems

 

[Mccarlin]

I think the best so far is...

9.67 @ 145mph no nitrous.

 

[99 R/T 10]

A DIY? Who?

 

[1TONY1]

I think the best so far is...

9.67 @ 145mph no nitrous.

And I have some beach front property for sale in Colorado at a real good price
Are there actually any of these cars around ?

 

[Mccarlin]

I think the best so far is...

9.67 @ 145mph no nitrous.

And I have some beach front property for sale in Colorado at a real good price
Are there actually any of these cars around ?

haha, SOLD!

I just wanted to best yours times by 1/10 and 1mph. Is that so bad?

 

[PBJ]

Hey Tony,
What do you consider tuner upgrades ? My bolt on paxton kit is a tuner kit which consists of a blower and the mounting bracket...I make everything else.
See ya,
Joe

 

[FE 065]

Rules:
Stock long block
headers and exhaust ok
any fuel
Out of the box DIY...no tuner upgrades/systems

Allowing any internal mods, but not allowing cars having tuner upgrades to their supercharger system in your little survey is kind of self-serving isn't it?

Are you trying to compare real world Roe vs Paxton data, or just pat yourself on the back?



Might as well limit it to blue GTSs with white stripes while you're at it..

 

[99 R/T 10]

I think it's to compare the two systems DIY Roe to DIY Paxton and the results of each. Given the fact there are MANY more Roe DIY's and pulling better times than the Paxton DIY, Tony is trying to see if there is anybody that might know of a Paxton that maybe the owner doesn't post, but still can run good times. Now like Joe D.'s Paxton would be good competion to say a DLM(tuner vs. tuner). If I'm wrong, Tony will set me straight

 

[Daddy Long Stroke]

You cant throw "stock longblock" in there, because so many creampuffs have to change the pistons just to make them even with the forged cars.

Years ago, before Paxton themselves made a kit, the tuner kits ruled. But I don't see now why you couldn't buy a stock Paxton kit, change the pullies, put in a complete fuel system, engine management and tuning- and get the same power as a bonafide tuner kit.

I think a tuner kit is just that- Installed and tuned by the people who know what they are doing. They increase the boost, add the extra fuel, and engine management, and tune the crap out of it. The key here is, they know what they are doing!

Is an Underground Racing System really considered a "start from scratch" tuner system like Heffners system was (maybe still is), or do they start with a box stock Paxton kit, and just make improvements to fuel, boost, etc...?

I guess what I'm saying is, I'm not sure if the "Tuner" kits you mentioned should really be outlawed from this comparison of Paxton vs. Roe.

 

[BLWNGTS]

Ya.... but a TRUE DIY Roe should have NO tuning from a tuner then.... Otherwise the Paxton should be the same!!! I say the tuning of the boxes should be allowed!!
apples to apples....

 

[99 R/T 10]

Agreed, and since Tony installed and tuned his own car/system, he'll be the Roe representative

 

[JohnnyBravo]

I had kind of assumed that Tony meant the following:

Buy a Roe blower kit (with whatever comes in it) and compare it to a basic Paxton kit (with whatever it comes with).

A Roe comes with the twin screw blower, the new manifold and rails, the bigger injectors and a VEC2.

A basic Paxton comes with the Novi2000 blower head unit, an FMU, split second box and air/water intercooler.

My recollection of the Paxton "tuner" kits were that many of them had big, custom made front mount air/air intercoolers, big fuel systems with bigger rails, injectors, pumps, and an FPR, plus some other trick items that were custom made by the tuner, not Paxton.

Compare the two basic $7500 kits and see which one performs better in the quarter miles.

 

[1TONY1]

Rules:
Stock long block
headers and exhaust ok
any fuel
Out of the box DIY...no tuner upgrades/systems

Allowing any internal mods, but not allowing cars having tuner upgrades to their supercharger system in your little survey is kind of self-serving isn't it?
Are you trying to compare real world Roe vs Paxton data, or just pat yourself on the back?
Might as well limit it to blue GTSs with white stripes while you're at it..

My my, somebodies ******* are in a ***.

Did you read the part about "stock long block" ?? How does a stock long block

"Allow any internal mods" ?
Ahhh...it doesn't
Do you actually know what a long block is ? It doesn't sound like it from your post

Stock long block EXCLUDES ME so there goes your "pat yourself on the back theory"

You sir are the one that brought up the Roe s/c ? Why ? There are plenty of Roe vs Paxton threads....I don't need to see another one. I'm looking for data.

The reason I made the post is because I NEVER hear about a basic Paxton set up on a gen2. Are there guys buying these and installing them ? Do they ever race ?
I don't care who installs it or tunes it as long as it's tuned with the Split Second Paxton box, uses the Paxton fuel pumps, brackets, pulleys, stock fuel system just like Paxton recommends. In other words...call Paxton order the kit and install it or have a tuner install it just like it comes out of the box

As far as the cream puffs....sorry. If there is a cream puff out there with an out of the box Paxton and forged pistons and NO other mods to the long block then sure...throw it in. It's doubtful there is one around like stated. That brings another question...why do the pistons matter ? Gen3's are creampuffs and do extremely well. Are the gen2 kits limited to forged piston cars ? Do they make more boost than a gen3 ?

Finally, (to anyone) if you don't like my poll.....start your own

 

[FE 065]

Ok you got me there..

 

[Daddy Long Stroke]

I love the thought of a ROE being able to push the big numbers! It is by far the prettiest system out there. But I would consider your system in the same league as a "tuner" system. Your numbers vs. 2MANYTOYS, or JD's old setup would be a more fair comparison of what the "blower" is capable of on a built motor.

Does anyone know if UNDERGROUND RACINGS Kit is a standard paxton kit with mods to it? This is what I have heard, and thats why I'm asking.

Ok, so what are the numbers (RWHP, 1/4 mile, and mph) that you laid down, or someone would be shooting to beat?

 

[1TONY1]

I love the thought of a ROE being able to push the big numbers! It is by far the prettiest system out there. But I would consider your system in the same league as a "tuner" system. Your numbers vs. 2MANYTOYS, or JD's old setup would be a more fair comparison of what the "blower" is capable of on a built motor.

Does anyone know if UNDERGROUND RACINGS Kit is a standard paxton kit with mods to it? This is what I have heard, and thats why I'm asking.

Ok, so what are the numbers (RWHP, 1/4 mile, and mph) that you laid down, or someone would be shooting to beat?

Who are you talking to ? Have you even read all of the posts

 

[1TONY1]

In my header I should have said Paxtons (plural)...all et's mph's should post up. You don't have to be the fastest Paxton.

 

[Daddy Long Stroke]

Ooops...Sorry Tony, I somehow got in my head that your first post was stock "Shortblock" and it got stuck in my head. My fault!



Regarding the gen 3's with cast pistons- yea, they seem to have no problem making 700 RWHP with a stock longblock, pretty safely. Cant say I've heard the same about gen 2 creampuffs.

So, what are the numbers the ROE has put down with a stock longblock? Or, what are the best numbers you have achieved? I dooooo love the ROE....So pretty... Daddy like the pretty...

 

[1TONY1]

Ooops...Sorry Tony, I somehow got in my head that your first post was stock "Shortblock" and it got stuck in my head. My fault!



Regarding the gen 3's with cast pistons- yea, they seem to have no problem making 700 RWHP with a stock longblock, pretty safely. Cant say I've heard the same about gen 2 creampuffs.

So, what are the numbers the ROE has put down with a stock longblock? Or, what are the best numbers you have achieved? I dooooo love the ROE....So pretty... Daddy like the pretty...

That would be a separate thread for the Roe. The only time mine was stock per my rules was with 5psi and before the Vec2. After that it had Arrow rockers.

 

[grcforce327]

The Roe has a selection of pulleys.If you went that route with a paxton,you can get alot more boost.

 

[Joseph Dell]

JD's car isn't a perfect example anymore, but it was at one time (years ago)

At incarnation 1, it made 560rwhp on about 6-7 psi with no intercooler.

At incarnation 2, 10-11psi and an intercooler yielded 700rwhp. This was stock everything but cat-back.

Incarnation 3 was a built motor so the 850rwhp on 15-16psi wouldn't count in this poll. But Tony drove that car to a 10.2 @140mph its first 3 times down the track.

I don't have any track times with incarnation 1 or 2, I'm sorry to say.

But that was all years ago. I wonder if anyone has any recent (like from this week) dyno charts from a STOCK paxton kit. Maybe someone like PBJ has done one recently?

JD

 

[Dave T (BADVENM)]

Hey JD, I remember you working on that Paxton in the blazing heat and humidity at Topeka a few years ago. You were definately the hardest working guy that weekend!! I'm sure it had to be a major bummer not to get to run the car down the track (from what I remember).

I've got some stock dyno numbers on my SRT Ram with a Woodhouse tune...although I did have headers, no cats, etc so I dont know if that counts. The truck will be going to Joe at PBJ in early April to get full safe tune out of her as well as some suspension/handling improvements in preparation for NASA Rocky Mountain HPDE and some 1/4 mile fun

 

[Joseph Dell]

Back in topeka, there were good #'s... But that was incarnation #4... And not in scope if this thread.

But topeka was fun... And quite a drive too!

Yeah... I was workin' on my broke stuff... Story of my life!

JD

 

[utahviper]

Sounds like the paxton guys are too embarrassed to admit that they can't run a 10 second 1/4 with a diy kit.

There are many 10 second roe cars with stock motors and exhaust.

 

[Daddy Long Stroke]

Utah, just looking at your sig. Are you saying 715 RWHP gave you 148 mph in the 1/4?

 

[1TONY1]

Utah, just looking at your sig. Are you saying 715 RWHP gave you 148 mph in the 1/4?

He had bumped the boost up since that dyno.

How about Gen3 cars with a box stock Paxton kit ? They make impressive numbers. Any of them drag race ? I wish my wife would pony up the money for one on her SRT. (See....I'm not a Paxton hater, contrary to the beliefs of some )

 

[Oldwilsonian]

We recently installed a Paxton on a stock '02 RT/10, also B&B headers and Borla cat-back. It made 616 HP to the wheels, sorry I don't remember the Torque.

Just installed Unitrax H-Duty half shafts & some BF Goodrich Extreme G-force tires.

Will be going to the track soon, keep you informed on numbers.

 

[PBJ]

Hey Tony,
Here is a PBJ DIY kit that I am finishing up for delivery. This guy lives pretty close to you from what I here, maybe we can do a little side by side comparision this weekend. This is the last pull I made tonight on pump gas (93 octane) with water and tuned with a vec2 by the way... I know this does not fit your criteria, but I thought I would post it anyway. The numbers are 890 and 854 if it is too hard to read (sorry, I am almost out of ink). I don't know how it will run at the track, but it is stupid on the street. All I can say is "it is stock with a pulley"
See ya,
Joe

 

[Joseph Dell]

Holy crap Joe!!!

890 and on PUMP gas?

you gotta put some RACE gas in there and hit the dyno with it before you make delivery. Inquiring VCA members want you to tempt fate. I mean inquiring VCA people want to know.

Nice work!

Joseph

 

[poweradded]

wasnt that first underground car in this category? all the did was the stock kit with a fuel system and then upped the boost, so they said.