TT vs S/C

[treesnake]

Old topic I know... A little different twist though.

Wondering if I could get some opinions from owners. I am trying to decide between a TT and a Paxton on my SS cpe. I keep going back and forth...

Quick summary;

TT... BIG POWER, but can you use it with mostly street driving? Seriously? Carries a big price tag.

S/C... Big Power, little less overall power capabilities, but can make
800 RWHP. Half the price, if not more.

That being said, which car would come out on top. To make it even, lets say we have two identical cars, The difference is one car has a TT with 800rwhp. The other car has a S/C with 800rwhp.

Who would win;
-quarter mile
-30 mph roll
-60 mph roll
-90 mph roll

Thanks in advance for your answers. This is a tough decision...

 

[Simms]

2MANYTOYS should be able to give you a good comparison. He has had a Paxton (and Roe) as now has a TT.

There should be a few other memeber that have switched as well.

 

[Simms]

One other thing to consider...turbo size. For example, a GT35R is going to give you different street manners versus a 76 car (different power and torque curves). Both can give you good numbers.

 

[treesnake]

One other thing to consider...turbo size. For example, a GT35R is going to give you different street manners versus a 76 car (different power and torque curves). Both can give you good numbers.

Very True. That's why I would like to compare similar cars that have had a TT or S/C. Like an 06 cpe.

I already have a polished Paxton set up. (not on car yet)
I am looking at a twin 76 mm turbo with a forged built stroker, G-Force tranny, fuel system, basically all supporting equipment. Quaiffe, Motons are already on the car. 1100rwhp

I am hoping to hear from people that have had both, TT and S/C. I have a Roe on my gen two. Not a good comparison. Hopefully someone (2many toys...) has had a blower and a TT on similar cars.

 

[ROCKET62]

Mike,

Sounds to me like you really want the TT. JUST DO IT!

Can I have a ride?

I have been thinking about a low boost TT. For whatever reason, the Paxton just does not fit my eye.

 

[ANIL8-U]

I was going to change mine over but I'm going to stick with my blower. The shop is installing injectors (60lbs) and VEC 3 now. I will be ordering pistons and rods very soon from PBJ. He thinks my car will make over 900 to the wheels then spray it to hit 1,000 anymore than that is just bragging

Downside I don’t think my tranny,clutch, rear-end or tires will hold the power but it will be lots of fun on the highway.

 

[Simms]

I am looking at a twin 76 mm turbo with a forged built stroker, G-Force tranny, fuel system, basically all supporting equipment. Quaiffe, Motons are already on the car. 1100rwhp

Sounds like a solid build. Can you get a test drive?

If needed, a nice boost controller can be used to turn it down for street driving if it feels too strong on the "kill" setting. The car probably has one already.

 

[treesnake]

Mike,

Sounds to me like you really want the TT. JUST DO IT!

Can I have a ride?

I have been thinking about a low boost TT. For whatever reason, the Paxton just does not fit my eye.

My "gearhead" side says, TT "Bigger,Baddest... is Best"

My "practrical" side says, "An 800 hp S/C car leaves enough money to buy C/F body panels, maybe some wheels/tires etc. How often will I really use 800+ hp anyway.

You can get a ride anytime. whichever way I go. Like you said "we are brothers of a different mother"... (SS cars)

 

[treesnake]

I was going to change mine over but I'm going to stick with my blower. The shop is installing injectors (60lbs) and VEC 3 now. I will be ordering pistons and rods very soon from PBJ. He thinks my car will make over 900 to the wheels then spray it to hit 1,000 anymore than that is just bragging

Downside I don’t think my tranny,clutch, rear-end or tires will hold the power but it will be lots of fun on the highway.

What happened to the rest of your post... I read it on my phone and wanted to get back on my computer to answer...
Now half of it is gone.

 

[treesnake]

Sounds like a solid build. Can you get a test drive?

If needed, a nice boost controller can be used to turn it down for street driving if it feels too strong on the "kill" setting. The car probably has one already.

The engine/driveline is not in a car. The description of TT is what I would install.

I will use an AEM to "handle" the massive hp in the lower gears. I really can't see turning it up over 1000. I'm not sure. That's why I was hoping to find out what the TT guys have to say. I know some of this was covered in another current thread but not by comparing equal hp.

 

[Red Snake]

I think I would consider letting UR do their paxton set up. They are getting 900-1000 rwhp. At Bradenton their paxton cars were busting into the 9s. That's plenty fast enough for me.


Then I'd use the left over cash for the other mods.

 

[bluesrt]

i wonder if somehow u could get a hold of reaves callaway,he is a super smart guy it seems in mechanical thinking..

 

[treesnake]

I think I would consider letting UR do their paxton set up. They are getting 900-1000 rwhp. At Bradenton their paxton cars were busting into the 9s. That's plenty fast enough for me.


Then I'd use the left over cash for the other mods.

I already have a Paxton set up in the garage. Have you seen the custom JMB Paxton install? Or the numbers Justin is getting out of his recent TT and S/C installs?

That's what I mean, Paxton cars running 9's. How much faster do I want to go...in a street car.

Hmmm... A 9 sec. quarter mile and cash left over..
BUT...
TT is "State of the ART" for power and efficiency. So the obvious answer would be to run a lower hp turbo... But that's kind of defeating the purpose of a turbo. Especially since you can get a blower set up at that hp level...

 

[treesnake]

i wonder if somehow u could get a hold of reaves callaway,he is a super smart guy it seems in mechanical thinking..

There are several guys on here with big turbos that can answer these questions. Hopefully they will answer.

 

[vipzilla]

who is JMB????

 

[plumcrazy]

800rwhp on the street is easy as pie....more would be better.

 

[ILLSMOQ]

800rwhp on the street is easy as pie....more would be better.

yeah. you will get used to 800rwhp...that car is over the top in every other aspect...go with the monster TT set up to finish off the master piece

 

[bluesrt]

im not super smart about this but,i think a super charger would be good for a short run and a turbo for long speed?it just depends on what a happy medium is in ur world,like i said,i dont have alot of knowledge on this.just blabbing my mouth cause i am boared!people use both for all types,i guess its like gears,and also like a big block and small block,everyone will challenge the subject,hope u get want u want the first round though.

 

[repiv]

Old topic I know... A little different twist though.

Wondering if I could get some opinions from owners. I am trying to decide between a TT and a Paxton on my SS cpe. I keep going back and forth...

Quick summary;

TT... BIG POWER, but can you use it with mostly street driving? Seriously? Carries a big price tag.

S/C... Big Power, little less overall power capabilities, but can make
800 RWHP. Half the price, if not more.

That being said, which car would come out on top. To make it even, lets say we have two identical cars, The difference is one car has a TT with 800rwhp. The other car has a S/C with 800rwhp.

Who would win;
-quarter mile
-30 mph roll
-60 mph roll
-90 mph roll

Thanks in advance for your answers. This is a tough decision...

I drive my TT around on 100 octane, right around 1,2XX RWHP & RWTQ, power is definitely not too much, especially n the highway!

What you say about the blower cars is true, a lot less money, plenty of power, I had a blower car put about 10K miles on it

The turbo car wins all of the races you list above

 

[repiv]

One other thing to consider...turbo size. For example, a GT35R is going to give you different street manners versus a 76 car (different power and torque curves). Both can give you good numbers.

i don't think anyone is building TT vipers with small turbos anymore, everyone is running 76's or 78's, most people who buy TT vipers with the smaller turbos change them to the larger turbos

 

[treesnake]

yeah. you will get used to 800rwhp...that car is over the top in every other aspect...go with the monster TT set up to finish off the master piece

"Plumcrazy" and "Illsmoq", I know you guys have blowers and you both seem to agree that 800+- isn't enough...
"Plumcrazy" I remember that your signature stated that you needed "more boost" and that was right after you installed your new engine.

Hmmm.....

 

[treesnake]

yeah. you will get used to 800rwhp...that car is over the top in every other aspect...go with the monster TT set up to finish off the master piece

I drive my TT around on 100 octane, right around 1,2XX RWHP & RWTQ, power is definitely not too much, especially n the highway!

What you say about the blower cars is true, a lot less money, plenty of power, I had a blower car put about 10K miles on it

The turbo car wins all of the races you list above

"Vegas" thanks for responding. You are one of the people that I was hoping to hear from.
First, you have built one BADAZZ ride. Without going into detail, my build is almost identical to yours except I will use a G-Force tranny.

You stated that you agreed with my statements regarding a blower. The fact that you have owned both TT and S/C, validates your opinion. That being said, with all the pros and cons, Was the additional money you spent on your TT worth it?


One last thing, Does your car have the UGR 24 mos. or 24K mile warranty?

 

[Simms]

i don't think anyone is building TT vipers with small turbos anymore, everyone is running 76's or 78's, most people who buy TT vipers with the smaller turbos change them to the larger turbos

Yes, I agree. I was thinking more along the lines if you only wanted 800rwhp from a TT you could achieve it different ways. Smaller turbos, or bigger ones with less boost.

 

[repiv]

"Vegas" thanks for responding. You are one of the people that I was hoping to hear from.
First, you have built one BADAZZ ride. Without going into detail, my build is almost identical to yours except I will use a G-Force tranny.

You stated that you agreed with my statements regarding a blower. The fact that you have owned both TT and S/C, validates your opinion. That being said, with all the pros and cons, Was the additional money you spent on your TT worth it?


One last thing, Does your car have the UGR 24 mos. or 24K mile warranty?

Thansk for the compliment on the car

I have the UR warranty, yes

In terms of the additional $$$, it is a somewhat subjective answer. For me specifically, I built run it in 1/2 & 1 mile, highway rolls, etc. I didn't really built it to run 1/4, although it can. the long story short, IMHO is that if you are looking for a very fast street car, $ for $ a blower car is difficult to beat. If you are looking to be competitve in any of the above type events you'll want to got the TT route.

Either way you're going to have a ****load of fun!!!

 

[plumcrazy]

"Plumcrazy" and "Illsmoq", I know you guys have blowers and you both seem to agree that 800+- isn't enough...
"Plumcrazy" I remember that your signature stated that you needed "more boost" and that was right after you installed your new engine.

Hmmm.....

800+ rwhp is a lot of hp but its easy to get used to it. but to be honest, id get used to 1200rwhp too i bet. its a sickness no doubt. i have NOT been beat on the streets of mexico yet but im sure the day will come and i hear there are 2 guys running around looking for me in the spring. so time will tell. i can tell you this, if i get beat this spring in mexico, DLM is gonna be making more money off of me.......

id love to run a TT viper with the same rwhp to see what actually happens from a 60 - 160 run in mexico.

 

[steponz]

When my tt is finished being built, Ill let you know...

joe

 

[treesnake]

Thansk for the compliment on the car

I have the UR warranty, yes

In terms of the additional $$$, it is a somewhat subjective answer. For me specifically, I built run it in 1/2 & 1 mile, highway rolls, etc. I didn't really built it to run 1/4, although it can. the long story short, IMHO is that if you are looking for a very fast street car, $ for $ a blower car is difficult to beat. If you are looking to be competitve in any of the above type events you'll want to got the TT route.

Either way you're going to have a ****load of fun!!!

My problem is that I want to go fast at every event...

I am hoping to go to at least one of the "mile" events next year. I am going to get a 200 mph pin. I am relatively certain my S/C 01 will do it. I am hoping that my TT SS will do it too.

I talked to several people today. The car guy friends told me that I was wasting my time thinking about it. They know I won't be happy with anything but the TT at this point. They are probably right. After original mistakes and misleading info I got on my 01, I want to make sure I know all options. The guy that picked up the pieces and put my 01 together gave me some good insight today on the differences.

Thanks for your info and opinion

 

[treesnake]

800+ rwhp is a lot of hp but its easy to get used to it. but to be honest, id get used to 1200rwhp too i bet. its a sickness no doubt. i have NOT been beat on the streets of mexico yet but im sure the day will come and i hear there are 2 guys running around looking for me in the spring. so time will tell. i can tell you this, if i get beat this spring in mexico, DLM is gonna be making more money off of me.......

id love to run a TT viper with the same rwhp to see what actually happens from a 60 - 160 run in mexico.

"800+ rwhp is a lot of hp but its easy to get used to"
That's exactly why I will probably go with the TT. When I got my first Viper I thought it was a bad MF. Then I heard guys were actually modding them and adding HP. I couldn't believe that some one would want more hp.
That quickly changed...

Then again, I also couldn't believe people owned more than one Viper.
That quickly changed too...

 

[plumcrazy]

you absolutely NEED a TT then....do it !

 

[mbccenter]

"800+ rwhp is a lot of hp but its easy to get used to"
That's exactly why I will probably go with the TT. When I got my first Viper I thought it was a bad MF. Then I heard guys were actually modding them and adding HP. I couldn't believe that some one would want more hp.
That quickly changed...

Then again, I also couldn't believe people owned more than one Viper.
That quickly changed too...

Very good statement. I am building a 1000 RWHP Paxton SRT now and I hope I don't get used to it very fast.