Paxton Viper vs. N/A Viper

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Huh? Where do you come up with this? A car with a 200rwhp advantage runs 8 mph and 4/10ths quicker according to your estimation?
Uhh...I don't think so. You're assuming the Paxton car won't hook.

Not this car, but Paxton Vipers have gone 9's.
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I think I just started getting dissapointed when people kept saying they trapped 127-129 mph with their SRT10 paxtons...Im sure weather conditions have a lot to do with this. But Im Hoping to trapp 127 with just all the bolt ons and a CC cam before I do the paxton..

Ive done searches and have found very little on paxtoned SRT10's doing better than 129 mph. If you have links to guys with SRT10 paxtons doing better than 127-129 mph trapps then please let me know...

Eighter way...Regardless of what they trap in the 1/4 mile your vids have shown me just how bad ass a paxtoned SRT10 is on a roll...

Ive raced 600-800 rwhp Supras and C6Z06's..I currently have about 470 rwhp...And no car has ever walked me as hard as you walked the 500 rwhp SRT10....

That was just sickening
 

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Twister - What Island you on bro? I was Kaimaninan (if I remember how to spell it) for nine years.
 
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Twister - What Island you on bro? I was Kaimaninan (if I remember how to spell it) for nine years.

Island of oahu...Been here for 10 years. origionally from virginia but was an Army Infantry soldier for 7 years here at Schofield Oahu
 

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I have been seriuosly considering the paxton on my '06 coupe. The part holding me back is; where and how often am I actually going ot be able to use the power? I barely get the chance to use the power I have now. I haven't been to the track yet, even though I want to, and the roads around Maryland are for the most part, too risky (police) to be letting out that much power. I am afraid I would just be wasting money on it. Maybe someone here will talk me into it.
Nitrous may be your solution if you dont think you will use it that often. When you do, just the flip of a switch and you are good to go. If you want the normal power, well dont turn it on. Yeah the filling of the bottles may get old, but in your case if you are not going to use it that often, that may be best for you. I love my Nitrous.
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I think I just started getting dissapointed when people kept saying they trapped 127-129 mph with their SRT10 paxtons...Im sure weather conditions have a lot to do with this. But Im Hoping to trapp 127 with just all the bolt ons and a CC cam before I do the paxton..

Ive done searches and have found very little on paxtoned SRT10's doing better than 129 mph. If you have links to guys with SRT10 paxtons doing better than 127-129 mph trapps then please let me know...

Eighter way...Regardless of what they trap in the 1/4 mile your vids have shown me just how bad ass a paxtoned SRT10 is on a roll...

Ive raced 600-800 rwhp Supras and C6Z06's..I currently have about 470 rwhp...And no car has ever walked me as hard as you walked the 500 rwhp SRT10....

That was just sickening


I agree... How is it 650RWHP paxton guys are only traping 127-129? I dont get it? That means stock Z06s will be able to hang or maybe even pull on a paxton Viper? :crazy2: Please say this isn't true:dunno:

I am in the same boat as you... I am hoping to trap 127 full boltons and a good tune w/VEC 3..
 

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Great Video
I've been on the fence whether to go with N/A Heads-Cam package or SC. I think I just made up my mind.

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I agree... How is it 650RWHP paxton guys are only traping 127-129? I dont get it? That means stock Z06s will be able to hang or maybe even pull on a paxton Viper?

Traction...... Thats what limits the 650+ rwhp from running quicker times, you can have all the power,but without traction or driving ability,you wont see good times.
 

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There is another guy on this forum who owns an '06 SC and a c6Z06. After speaking with him, he said the viper has trouble beating the stock z06 in the 1/4 mile due to traction. Sure, after the car gets going it locks up and pulls past the z06 easliy. But he did tell me that the z06 will jump out ahead of the viper everytime, and then it becomes a catching up race. Now, on the highway (like those videos were taped) there are not many cars that will keep up with a SC viper.
 

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We'll do it, PM me some Thursday or Friday when we have a nice weekend in the forecast. You'll be convinced soon.....

Take me! Take me!

I'm up for a ride and I'll bet several of the other NOVA folks will want to join in as well.
 

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If anyone in the Orlando/Tamp area, has a bolt-on Paxton and wants to run a heads/cam GenII(tiny 708-ish) let me know. I'm willing and ready to run.

Should make for a good race. Both should make about the same rwhp about 550rwhp-600rwhp.

I just ran 11.1@131 at Bradenton.
 

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If anyone in the Orlando/Tamp area, has a bolt-on Paxton and wants to run a heads/cam GenII(tiny 708-ish) let me know. I'm willing and ready to run.

Should make for a good race. Both should make about the same rwhp about 550rwhp-600rwhp.

I just ran 11.1@131 at Bradenton.
I think a Paxton car might get surprised in that race.

I know it's not apples to apples, BUT I had a PBJ built heads/cam ViperTruck making 535/561 (cam was cut for low end torque). I raced my neighbors Paxton blown ViperTruck with 630 rwhp and beat him at the 1/4 mile track by .10 and beat him from a 50-100 mph roll on the highway.

If the N/A built Viper has good torque under the curve it's going to be a good race.:2tu:
 

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I agree... How is it 650RWHP paxton guys are only traping 127-129? I dont get it? That means stock Z06s will be able to hang or maybe even pull on a paxton Viper? :crazy2: Please say this isn't true:dunno:

I am in the same boat as you... I am hoping to trap 127 full boltons and a good tune w/VEC 3..

well I havee to totally disagree with that. Stock C6Z06's dont trap any were near 127-129 mph in avarage conditions with an average driver like a paxtoned SRT10 will..I have seen paxton only SRT10's trapp in the 130-133 range. So it will be significantly faster than the C6Z06/FGT


Bone-Stock on Stock Tires ------*Current Avg. 11.431 secs. @ 124.54 mph 1.83 secs


1----10.981 @ 128.90--1.77---jamie furman ------'06. Details
2----11.138 @ 127.20--1.76---Ranger------'06. Details
3----11.242 @ 122.38--1.68---Dr.Ron------'06. Details
4----11.311 @ 122.89--1.80---BLU-BY-U------'06. Details
5----11.349 @ 124.97--1.75---zosix427-----'06. Details
6----11.450 @ 125.92--1.88---dgdoc------'06. Details
7----11.502 @ 126.08--1.96---C5 Frank-----'06. Details
8----11.545 @ 123.16--1.83---dpracing-----'07 Details
9----11.557 @ 126.68--1.95---Incon306-----'07 Details
10---11.560 @ 124.53--1.85---Zlicious-----'06. Details
11---11.627 @ 121.67--1.83---BLK BZT-----'06 Details
12---11.632 @ 123.43--1.96---Z06kait -----'07 Details
13---11.709 @ 121.41--1.86---JWGJR------'07 Details

yes you have one 128 mph trap and one 127 mph trap..Followed up by two 126 mph trapps. The other NINE fastest bone stock C6Z06's in the world are all in the 121-125 mph range..We've had MANY 03-06 SRT10 guys run 11's in the 120-123 mph range..So tha gaps not as big as the Vette worshippers make it out to be when you really look at their list
 

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FOR COMPARISON..HERES OUT FASTEST 10 DEAD STOCK SRT10'S VRS THE 10 FASTEST DEAD STOCK C6Z06'S


GEN 3 srt10/c6z06
1----10.981 @ 128.90--1.77---jamie furman ------'06. Details
1-JustinBell....2003Vert...11.7...123.6mph
Motor Trend: Speeding! Top-Speed Shootout

2----11.138 @ 127.20--1.76---Ranger------'06. Details
2-JohnMyrick....2003Vert...11.8...122.9mph

3----11.242 @ 122.38--1.68---Dr.Ron------'06. Details
3-ViperJim......2003Vert...11.8...121mph

4----11.311 @ 122.89--1.80---BLU-BY-U------'06. Details
4-UtahViper.....2003Vert...11.8...119mph

5----11.349 @ 124.97--1.75---zosix427-----'06. Details
5-Outfan........???????....11.8...119mph

6----11.450 @ 125.92--1.88---dgdoc------'06. Details
6-RickMay.......2004Vert...11.9...123mph

7----11.502 @ 126.08--1.96---C5 Frank-----'06. Details
7-Dman..........2003vert...11.9...122.3mph

8----11.545 @ 123.16--1.83---dpracing-----'07 Details
8-Hamrhead......2006Coupe..11.9...122mph

9----11.557 @ 126.68--1.95---Incon306-----'07 Details
9-Ulllose.......2003Vert...11.9...121mph

10---11.560 @ 124.53--1.85---Zlicious-----'06. Details
10-TomDickson....2004Vert...12.0...118mph


lOOK AT THE 60FTS ON THE c6z06'S..1.6'S..1.7'S...1.8'S...AND A FEW 1.9'S..DEAD STOCK..

ON THE OTHER HAND FOR THE SRT'S 1.9 IS PRETTY GOOD AND 1.8 IS ALMOST UNHERD OF. WE DONT HAVE A CHANCE WHEN IT COMES TO ET DUE TO OUR LACKING 60 FT ABILITIES...

The mph is their for some mid 11's though..But just aint gonna with 1.9 60 fts
 

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"WE DONT HAVE A CHANCE WHEN IT COMES TO ET DUE TO OUR LACKING 60 FT ABILITIES..."

Unless the stock tires **** so bad compared to the GY's on the
Z06 (both are RF's), then the poor 60ft times are because of poor driving (i.e.- not enough practice). I'd also say that the 3.07 gears aren't helping anything. Z06's run 3.42's.

No offense to anyone on the forum, but because there are MANY more Z06's out there, in turn there are MANY more guys who are taking them to the strip, thus many Z06 drivers are adept at getting the best times out of their cars. It's strictly a numbers/percentage/practice thing. There are guys on the Corvette forum who hit the strip once a week or more and have 50-100+ passes under their belts!

This is not a Viper vs Corvette thing, it's a #'s thing. And I'm not saying there aren't skilled Viper drag racers on this forum, so spare me the flames! A larger population section will have more of anything. Rough example> Production of
~40000/yr Corvettes compared to ~1000/yr Vipers>4000 Vettes go the the 1/4mi compared to 100 Vipers>400 Vettes drivers get 50+ practice runs vs 10 Viper drivers.
 
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So I was wondering about gearing. Many think that the 3.07 is too low, and if I recall correctly, for the 8 sec tt Vipers, they actually went to a lower gear like 2:78 or something like that. Would this help with a Paxton viper?
 

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Rocket,

In a word, no, this would not help most Paxton equipped Vipers.

TT and Paxton power curves don't compare well.

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"WE DONT HAVE A CHANCE WHEN IT COMES TO ET DUE TO OUR LACKING 60 FT ABILITIES..."
No offense to anyone on the forum, but because there are MANY more Z06's out there, in turn there are MANY more guys who are taking them to the strip, thus many Z06 drivers are adept at getting the best times out of their cars. It's strictly a numbers/percentage/practice thing. There are guys on the Corvette forum who hit the strip once a week or more and have 50-100+ passes under their belts!

Rough example> Production of
~40000/yr Corvettes compared to ~1000/yr Vipers>4000 Vettes go the the 1/4mi compared to 100 Vipers>400 Vettes drivers get 50+ practice runs vs 10 Viper drivers.


THATS EXACTLY WHAT I WAS THINKING
 

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FOR COMPARISON..HERES OUT FASTEST 10 DEAD STOCK SRT10'S VRS THE 10 FASTEST DEAD STOCK C6Z06'S


GEN 3 srt10/c6z06
1----10.981 @ 128.90--1.77---jamie furman ------'06. Details
1-JustinBell....2003Vert...11.7...123.6mph
Motor Trend: Speeding! Top-Speed Shootout

2----11.138 @ 127.20--1.76---Ranger------'06. Details
2-JohnMyrick....2003Vert...11.8...122.9mph

3----11.242 @ 122.38--1.68---Dr.Ron------'06. Details
3-ViperJim......2003Vert...11.8...121mph

4----11.311 @ 122.89--1.80---BLU-BY-U------'06. Details
4-UtahViper.....2003Vert...11.8...119mph

5----11.349 @ 124.97--1.75---zosix427-----'06. Details
5-Outfan........???????....11.8...119mph

6----11.450 @ 125.92--1.88---dgdoc------'06. Details
6-RickMay.......2004Vert...11.9...123mph

7----11.502 @ 126.08--1.96---C5 Frank-----'06. Details
7-Dman..........2003vert...11.9...122.3mph

8----11.545 @ 123.16--1.83---dpracing-----'07 Details
8-Hamrhead......2006Coupe..11.9...122mph

9----11.557 @ 126.68--1.95---Incon306-----'07 Details
9-Ulllose.......2003Vert...11.9...121mph

10---11.560 @ 124.53--1.85---Zlicious-----'06. Details
10-TomDickson....2004Vert...12.0...118mph


lOOK AT THE 60FTS ON THE c6z06'S..1.6'S..1.7'S...1.8'S...AND A FEW 1.9'S..DEAD STOCK..

ON THE OTHER HAND FOR THE SRT'S 1.9 IS PRETTY GOOD AND 1.8 IS ALMOST UNHERD OF. WE DONT HAVE A CHANCE WHEN IT COMES TO ET DUE TO OUR LACKING 60 FT ABILITIES...

The mph is their for some mid 11's though..But just aint gonna with 1.9 60 fts

oufan2929...2003 vert
 

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Eighter way...Regardless of what they trap in the 1/4 mile your vids have shown me just how bad ass a paxtoned SRT10 is on a roll...

Ive raced 600-800 rwhp Supras and C6Z06's..I currently have about 470 rwhp...And no car has ever walked me as hard as you walked the 500 rwhp SRT10....

That was just sickening
That wasn't my car.
My GTS makes well over 200 rwhp more than the Paxton-Viper in the videos.
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S.
 

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Rocket,

In a word, no, this would not help most Paxton equipped Vipers.

TT and Paxton power curves don't compare well.

Dan
The reason to go to a numerically lower gear is to make the car a bit more controllable on the street with a radial.
At 900+ rwhp (or even 700-800 rwhp), you don't need any more gear than 3.07's. And you don't even need those with a TT car making over 1000 rwhp.
I swapped the 3.55's in my car for a set of 3.07's.
S.
 

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Yep,

The 3.07's work very well. Add a Quaife, and they work better.....

Add Motons and set them up properly, and the work better.....

Practice and they work better.....

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So, would you have less wheel spin with a Paxton going to 2.73 or something in that range.

The reason to go to a numerically lower gear is to make the car a bit more controllable on the street with a radial.
At 900+ rwhp (or even 700-800 rwhp), you don't need any more gear than 3.07's. And you don't even need those with a TT car making over 1000 rwhp.
I swapped the 3.55's in my car for a set of 3.07's.
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Not necessarily. You would likely bog down big time with 2.73 gears in most cars.

Add traction and suspension improvements - don't mess with the 3.07's for most cars.
 

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So, would you have less wheel spin with a Paxton going to 2.73 or something in that range.
I don't think I'd go with 2.73's in a Paxton car. Most Paxton cars will probably be in the 700-750rwhp range. I'd stick with the stock 3.07's.
S.
 

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I think too much attention is paid to the final rwhp number. At many points in the power curve, a Paxton car may only have 30-60 more rwhp than the stock Viper. Throw in the extra 90 lbs for the s/c, and that 30 hp has little effect. Paxtons make most of their power at 4500 rpm plus....
BUT, the biggest factor with the Paxton cars not being competitive w/ some n/a cars is driver ability in my opinion. If you look at the power under the curve from IlSMOQU his car makes much more power under the curve all the way thru the power band than that of a stock Viper. He routinely smokes any Viper w/ less power...but he also knows how to drive. The Hennessy TT 1000 rwhp Viper that smoked the Bugatti Veyrun only managed a 11.7 in the 1/4 mile....smoking the tires all the way w/ a professional driver.
Most Viper owners dont drive their cars often enough to master their cars. They pay 80k to get the car, 20k to get the Paxton...then only put 250 miles or so a month on their Vipers and wonder why some kid in a Mustang GT kicks his 700 rwhp Paxton fed Vipers ass!

Yes, n/a cars are lighter and will have a better power curve, but more power is more power...and a Paxton fed Viper is going to be more powerful than an n/a car. Vettes are lighter and have traction control...so to hang w/ a car like that takes a really good driver, regardless of how much power his car makes.
 
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I think too much attention is paid to the final rwhp number. At many points in the power curve, a Paxton car may only have 30-60 more rwhp than the stock Viper. Throw in the extra 90 lbs for the s/c, and that 30 hp has little effect. Paxtons make most of their power at 4500 rpm plus....
BUT, the biggest factor with the Paxton cars not being competitive w/ some n/a cars is driver ability in my opinion. If you look at the power under the curve from IlSMOQU his car makes much more power under the curve all the way thru the power band than that of a stock Viper. He routinely smokes any Viper w/ less power...but he also knows how to drive. The Hennessy TT 1000 rwhp Viper that smoked the Bugatti Veyrun only managed a 11.7 in the 1/4 mile....smoking the tires all the way w/ a professional driver.
Most Viper owners dont drive their cars often enough to master their cars. They pay 80k to get the car, 20k to get the Paxton...then only put 250 miles or so a month on their Vipers and wonder why some kid in a Mustang GT kicks his 700 rwhp Paxton fed Vipers ass!

Yes, n/a cars are lighter and will have a better power curve, but more power is more power...and a Paxton fed Viper is going to be more powerful than an n/a car. Vettes are lighter and have traction control...so to hang w/ a car like that takes a really good driver, regardless of how much power his car makes.

Your worrying too much man.

So first, you can get our cars for 60k, and a Paxton Should only be about $10-12K installed. Im buying mine for $6500, 1k for DLM stuff around $500 to dyno tune and ILLSMOQ is instlling for a fair price. And no kid in a Mustang will keep up.

Second, you keep worrying anout the weight of Paxton. Say its 70-90lbs..., so when ILLSMOQ had 15 more rwhp then me he would slightly,slightly pull me, thru a few gears he would be a half car or so.Just slowly inching ahead, but we both knew he was winning. Well, one day he had his 200lb cousin in car and was gonna show off, well i slowly edged him, ever so slighlty. So to turn the tables on his 15rwhp, I needed him to have 200lbs.
Then that brings the whole debate of how the Z06 is faster mostly due to 200 lbs lighter,yet its usually still a drivers race.

So when you have maybe 70lbs extra for a Paxton. BIG DEAL!!!!! ILLSMOQ actually already made up for that by changing to HRE's ,so he lost weight with wheels/tires. So maybe he carries around 50 extra lbs or less, but now has 200 more rwhp. That graph he posted on other thread was without tuning and belt slippage.So his power is alot more across the board. And it builds power so quickly that every second its going from 60,80,120,150, 200 rwhp more. Thats why the video outcome i posted is the way it is. He demolishes my 508 rwhp car.
Sounds like your trying to talk yourself out of it.:dunno:
 

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My Roe went 10.5@139mph with PS1's. Of course the power curve shows about 800rwtq at 2,000rpm. The hp (although often smaller numbers) the Roe hp increase starts immediately and peaks somewhere around 4500rpm, then tapers off only slightly to red line.

Step on the throttle under 70mph (1st,2nd and 3rd) and the PS2's go up in smoke.

A Roe blower has a much lighter weight as there is no ic or extra coolant, a lightweight intake and the bower doesn't weigh much.

I like the lightweight brake rotors for stopping a lot more than their 40# weight savings, by the way. Aftermarket exhaust saves some weight as well.

With the Paxton you cut the front upper crossmember off to instal the sc so a Paxton requires lightening the car a little bit (3#?).

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