Got stopped last Sunday driving my ACR by a Florida State Trooper using a laser - my radar/laser detector never went off!! Only got a warning but this was the third time that I know my laser/radar detector failed to go off when I was lasered. I looked at the Blinder Laserjammer but a friend told me his cop friend has given at least 4 tickets to people using laserjammers - the cop laughed as the drivers were all very upset that their jammers did't work. So do you believe the salesman who insists they work or the police? Anybody have any info as I don't want to spend $400 for something that doesn't work?
DO LASERJAMMERS WORK??????????
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first of all where's my popcorn at?
Use a Valentine 1
the jammers are nothing but a hoax. Kind of like the tornado.
Use a Valentine 1
the jammers are nothing but a hoax. Kind of like the tornado.
I have tried may lazer and radar jammers and none have worked EXCEPT the blinder, I currently use the blinder and have tested it with a police officer that is a friend of the family.
Also the only radar jammer I have found to work is the RCDXP.
NOTHING AT ROCKYMOUNTIN RADAR DOES ANYTHING
Good luck.
Also the only radar jammer I have found to work is the RCDXP.
NOTHING AT ROCKYMOUNTIN RADAR DOES ANYTHING
Good luck.
unless you use a active jammer, most of the ones you see are passive jammers, they ****. active jammers are illegal and if you get busted you get charged for using a fcc radio wave or something like that without a license,its like 250g fine. It will blank out any laser you have to slow down and turn it off so that its not painfully obvious. I have mine and havent been busted since. its usually just a ********* box.
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According to several magazine articles I have read, the general consensus was that they are ineffective.
Certain states (Oklahoma, for example) actually prohibit any type of device that actively interferes with the police officer from being able to acquire your velocity.
Also, an individual that has a device that transmits a signal does not necessarily need to personally have an FCC license for it. Case in point... your viper keyless entry remote. Part of that stipulation relates to the signal strength.
Certain states (Oklahoma, for example) actually prohibit any type of device that actively interferes with the police officer from being able to acquire your velocity.
Also, an individual that has a device that transmits a signal does not necessarily need to personally have an FCC license for it. Case in point... your viper keyless entry remote. Part of that stipulation relates to the signal strength.
I have a blinder and it was only gone off twice ....
that last time I was at Checkers giving my order for a a burger and went off.....
I did not get a ticket.....
I was stopped at the time....
so I do not know where it works or not.
Cudaman
that last time I was at Checkers giving my order for a a burger and went off.....
I did not get a ticket.....
I was stopped at the time....
so I do not know where it works or not.
Cudaman
BadVenm
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Anyone tried one of these yet?
http://www.abtelectronics.com/scripts/site/site_product.php3?id=1191
I bought the complete system that this is a part of at this years Viper Club Christmas party charity auction. I figured it was a good cause, and if it works to boot, then I got a good deal.
I just got it installed last weekend in my daily driver. They say it's a 360 degree Radar DETECTOR and a head on Laser JAMMER. They say it could have been a front and rear Laser Jammer if I wanted to buy an extra device that emits the laser jamming signal to mount on rear of my truck, but I didn't. There are two separate devices that mount in the vehicle, one is the radar detection unit, the second is a device that emits the laser jamming signal, so they say.
We have two police officers in our VCA club here, and one said when the snow and ice are off the roads we can go test it out.
The link above only goes to the laser diffuser device, it does not link to the full unit. Maybe it's somewhere on that website.
I went back to the above site and found a few K40 products listed, what I got at the auction is not the window mount unit that looks like the old standard V1, escorts, etc.. This is a unit that all you see in your vehicle is a red buld and a knob for volume, everything elses is under the dash board, in the grill and under the facia, but in an unabstructed view of the road ahead.
If I remember come spring time, I will update the results after a couple of high speeds runs dead into the end of a radar gun, then a laser gun!
http://www.abtelectronics.com/scripts/site/site_product.php3?id=1191
I bought the complete system that this is a part of at this years Viper Club Christmas party charity auction. I figured it was a good cause, and if it works to boot, then I got a good deal.
I just got it installed last weekend in my daily driver. They say it's a 360 degree Radar DETECTOR and a head on Laser JAMMER. They say it could have been a front and rear Laser Jammer if I wanted to buy an extra device that emits the laser jamming signal to mount on rear of my truck, but I didn't. There are two separate devices that mount in the vehicle, one is the radar detection unit, the second is a device that emits the laser jamming signal, so they say.
We have two police officers in our VCA club here, and one said when the snow and ice are off the roads we can go test it out.
The link above only goes to the laser diffuser device, it does not link to the full unit. Maybe it's somewhere on that website.
I went back to the above site and found a few K40 products listed, what I got at the auction is not the window mount unit that looks like the old standard V1, escorts, etc.. This is a unit that all you see in your vehicle is a red buld and a knob for volume, everything elses is under the dash board, in the grill and under the facia, but in an unabstructed view of the road ahead.
If I remember come spring time, I will update the results after a couple of high speeds runs dead into the end of a radar gun, then a laser gun!
GTS Bruce
Enthusiast
Certain red car stop lights have set my V1 off.Laser is instant.It beeps to let you know to get your wallet out.I have been hit by laser 4 times now AFTER I have SLOWED down.I think police laser is worthless if you are paying attention.Strange car parked along roadside or any car,in the median,on an exit/entrance ramp,bridge.That guy has to pop up or step out,point the thing at the front of the car and pull the trigger.Its too obvious.If you're paying attention you slow down before he fires.V1 goes Beep,Beep, you smile and wave as you drive by.Radar you pick up before you get there if there are other cars about.Laser just stay alert. GTS Bruce
joe117
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Microwave Radar,
Radar jammers that work are illegal under Federal law. In order for a radar jammer to be effective in the real world, it must transmit a signal on a frequency where unlicensed transmission is not allowed.
STUGOTS has tested his jammer against a police radar and he says his jammer works. I can't argue with what he says he saw.
I spent almost 25 years working with electronic warfare systems. I worked for the Federal Government at an R&D facility.
All we did was work with jammers and associated electronic devices designed to protect Navy aircraft from missiles.
I'm telling you that no legally sold police radar jammer will really jam police radar in a way that will be of value to you.
Take my word for that or not. It's up to you.
I can discuss all of the reasons that this is true, again, if anyone want's to argue the point.
The jammer that STUGOTS tested has never been described in technical terms. No theory of operation is provided.
Even the Vipair device had a theory of operation. Take that for what it's worth.
Laser Radar,
Laser jammers are legal. I see no reason why a properly designed laser radar jammer could not be built and sold.
I don't know if any of the available laser jammers work.
A laser beam is very narrow, if the operator points it at your license plate or some other part of your car, there may be no laser energy getting into your laser detector.
Multiple detectors would be an answer. It may be the only workable answer.
Some LED tail lights may trigger your laser detector. This is probably only going to happen at close range.
Radar jammers that work are illegal under Federal law. In order for a radar jammer to be effective in the real world, it must transmit a signal on a frequency where unlicensed transmission is not allowed.
STUGOTS has tested his jammer against a police radar and he says his jammer works. I can't argue with what he says he saw.
I spent almost 25 years working with electronic warfare systems. I worked for the Federal Government at an R&D facility.
All we did was work with jammers and associated electronic devices designed to protect Navy aircraft from missiles.
I'm telling you that no legally sold police radar jammer will really jam police radar in a way that will be of value to you.
Take my word for that or not. It's up to you.
I can discuss all of the reasons that this is true, again, if anyone want's to argue the point.
The jammer that STUGOTS tested has never been described in technical terms. No theory of operation is provided.
Even the Vipair device had a theory of operation. Take that for what it's worth.
Laser Radar,
Laser jammers are legal. I see no reason why a properly designed laser radar jammer could not be built and sold.
I don't know if any of the available laser jammers work.
A laser beam is very narrow, if the operator points it at your license plate or some other part of your car, there may be no laser energy getting into your laser detector.
Multiple detectors would be an answer. It may be the only workable answer.
Some LED tail lights may trigger your laser detector. This is probably only going to happen at close range.
Venom500
Viper Owner
I have a K40 system installed on my Viper. It consists of two radar receivers attached to the inside of both front and rear bumper covers. It also has a laser jammer attached to the front cover. The radar receivers will pick up radar through plastic or fiberglass, thus the receivers are hidden from view. If you are on your knees looking into the grill you can see the laser jammer unit, black box with red lens staring back at you. Inside the viper are mounted three very small red lights. The lights are mounted horizontally above the steering colom. The far left light is for the front radar receiver, the far right light is for the rear radar receiver, and the middle one is for the laser jammer.
joe117
Enthusiast
"I wonder if the blinder is legal being that it IS an active jammer, I mean they company says it is"
If the "Blinder" is an active microwave radar jammer, It must transmit a signal that will interfere with the police radar.
If it does this, it is not legal.
If some guy was making active radar jammers in his basement and selling them without advertising, I'd say that he could get away with it. If he was discrete. The FCC would never catch him.
However, if a company starts making active, illegal radar jammers and runs big ads saying so. They will get caught.
If the "Blinder" is an active microwave radar jammer, It must transmit a signal that will interfere with the police radar.
If it does this, it is not legal.
If some guy was making active radar jammers in his basement and selling them without advertising, I'd say that he could get away with it. If he was discrete. The FCC would never catch him.
However, if a company starts making active, illegal radar jammers and runs big ads saying so. They will get caught.
chickenwarrior
Viper Owner
I am surprised no one has mentioned Cincinnati Microwaves ZR3 I have heard good things about this unit. I have not heard anyone that has said anything bad, but I am sure they are out there. I can't say first hand, but it seems like a slick unit. If you go to www.escortradar.com you can't even get to the link above. They really don't even advertise it and it is only available as a dealer installed option. You can't buy i direct from them, but you can find them on Ebay from time to time.
joe117
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Does the "Shifter" work? Perhaps,
I don't see any reason why it couldn't.
Is it legal? There isn't any Federal law that I know of that would make it illegal.
Does Joe know anything about laser radar jammers? Yes.
Does Joe know anything about laws? No.
I don't see any reason why it couldn't.
Is it legal? There isn't any Federal law that I know of that would make it illegal.
Does Joe know anything about laser radar jammers? Yes.
Does Joe know anything about laws? No.
1TONY1
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http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/viewproduct~~~Lidatek~Electronics~Laser_Jammers~.html
Good price right now. HP Freaks has a pretty reputable name as far as I know.
Good price right now. HP Freaks has a pretty reputable name as far as I know.
ViperBing
Enthusiast
I have both a V-1 and the Cin. Micro ZR3 Laser Jammer. The ZR3 is definitely more sensitive at picking up laser than the V-1 (probably due to the external antennas). It appears to work, but I have never blown through a laser trap in excess of 13 mph over the limit in the Viper. I have seen them try to get a lock on me with repeated beamings, but they don't seem to be able to lock on until I mute the ZR3, and then they appear to get a lock, and move on to the next vehicle. I would like to test it with a Lidar (laser) gun to see how effective it really is. From my experience, it does seem to effectively reduce the effective range of the Lidar gun. (This also may be due to the minimal frontal area on the Viper and no front tag).
One more thing, I picked mine up at Tweeter Electronics for $299 complete.
One more thing, I picked mine up at Tweeter Electronics for $299 complete.
chickenwarrior
Viper Owner
Unlike Rock Mountain Radar, Cincinnati Microwave sells good stuff that works. They have been around a long time. I believe Valentine (of Valentine 1) used to work for them before leaving to start his own company. I don't think they would sell something that "didn't work" How effective? I don't know. I also read that almost all new LIDAR guns are able to tell they are being jammed.
I hate to say it, but legal or not, if you are in your viper and "making good time" and a cop Lasers you and sees he's being jammed, I bet you get pulled over anyway a get a ticket, even if he didn't get a lock on your speed. They don't have to show you the speed on the gun anyway.
Shoot even if you weren't speeding you'll get pulled over on principle.....
I hate to say it, but legal or not, if you are in your viper and "making good time" and a cop Lasers you and sees he's being jammed, I bet you get pulled over anyway a get a ticket, even if he didn't get a lock on your speed. They don't have to show you the speed on the gun anyway.
Shoot even if you weren't speeding you'll get pulled over on principle.....
scottgf
Viper Owner
Hey Joe,
What's this "Vipair" thing? ....sounds interesting.. Do you have one?...... (Whats for lunch?)
Cheers,
RandyS
Viper Owner
ChickenW... that is true, you will most likely get stopped anyway. In California the CHP training uses 'estimation' then the radar to confirm the speed. I don't know if other states use the same method or not.
Randy
Randy
joe117
Enthusiast
I don't think that the frontal area of the Viper has anything to do with the range they can pick you up.
The color may change the lock on range. Black will be harder for them to lock on.
No front plate is a BIG advantage. Most plates are coated with retro reflector material.
This retro reflective coating will send the laser beam directly back to the lidar gun.
I believe that the laser beam spot is fairly small. The cops seem to aim it like a rifle, right at your tag. This is probably the reason why the V1 doesn't pick up the beam as well as a plate mounted detector.
The color may change the lock on range. Black will be harder for them to lock on.
No front plate is a BIG advantage. Most plates are coated with retro reflector material.
This retro reflective coating will send the laser beam directly back to the lidar gun.
I believe that the laser beam spot is fairly small. The cops seem to aim it like a rifle, right at your tag. This is probably the reason why the V1 doesn't pick up the beam as well as a plate mounted detector.
Also, as I read once...driving with you headlights on will help decrease the range at which the laser gun can get a reading with you...
I've got an older V1...it is starting to get false positives on laser (red tail lights), and there must be some other radar detector out there that is really 'sloppy'...they set me off all the time.
Fortunately, in New Orleans...the cops don't seem to run much of anything other than old "X" band. So, they're easy to pick up...and avoid.
I truly wonder though...if they were to take the financial 'reward' of the ticket revenue going to the cops, and did something other with it (education?)..how many cops would waste time with speed traps....and start to work harder on real crime?
sorry, just one of my gripes...I think traffic monitoring is much more a revenue stream than a matter of public safety...
I've got an older V1...it is starting to get false positives on laser (red tail lights), and there must be some other radar detector out there that is really 'sloppy'...they set me off all the time.
Fortunately, in New Orleans...the cops don't seem to run much of anything other than old "X" band. So, they're easy to pick up...and avoid.
I truly wonder though...if they were to take the financial 'reward' of the ticket revenue going to the cops, and did something other with it (education?)..how many cops would waste time with speed traps....and start to work harder on real crime?
sorry, just one of my gripes...I think traffic monitoring is much more a revenue stream than a matter of public safety...
ViperBing
Enthusiast
"I don't think that the frontal area of the Viper has anything to do with the range they can pick you up."
I meant the frontal area that has a flat reflective surface. The front of the Viper has no flat surfaces facing forward.
"I believe that the laser beam spot is fairly small. The cops seem to aim it like a rifle, right at your tag. This is probably the reason why the V1 doesn't pick up the beam as well as a plate mounted detector."
I was once on an access road overpass with jersey walls on both sides, and the ZR3 picked up a LIDAR (laser) signal from police beaming the highway below about 1/3 mile up the highway. So basically, I was behind a jersey wall, traveling 90 degrees to the highway, on an overpass, with the sensors a foot off the ground, and it picked up the Laser. The V-1 didn't even peep. When I got on the on-ramp and onto the highway, both units went off when the police beamed me.
I meant the frontal area that has a flat reflective surface. The front of the Viper has no flat surfaces facing forward.
"I believe that the laser beam spot is fairly small. The cops seem to aim it like a rifle, right at your tag. This is probably the reason why the V1 doesn't pick up the beam as well as a plate mounted detector."
I was once on an access road overpass with jersey walls on both sides, and the ZR3 picked up a LIDAR (laser) signal from police beaming the highway below about 1/3 mile up the highway. So basically, I was behind a jersey wall, traveling 90 degrees to the highway, on an overpass, with the sensors a foot off the ground, and it picked up the Laser. The V-1 didn't even peep. When I got on the on-ramp and onto the highway, both units went off when the police beamed me.
GTSnake
Enthusiast
That is great insight! I would support a change in legistlation to divert ticket money away from the local depts and reduce the frivolous tickets for revenue.
joe117
Enthusiast
"frontal area that has a flat reflective surface"
A flat reflective surface will not return the laser energy back to the point of origin unless the surface perpendicular to the beam.
The angle of incidence equals the angle of reflection.
Look at the F117, the flat facets reflect the beam away unless you are exactly perpendicular to the surface.
Picture a cube and a sphere, both with a mirror surface. The cube will reflect your laser pointer right back at you only if you are in exactly the right spot.
The sphere will reflect some energy back at you no matter where you are or where you hit it with the laser pointer.
"the sensors a foot off the ground, and it picked up the Laser. The V-1 didn't even peep."
The ZR3 may very well be much more sensitive than the V1. I would suspect that could be true from the experience you relate.
However, there is a possibility that the ZR3 may just have a wider field of view.
I don't see any downside to a wider field of view. If the ZR3 will give good distant warning without false alarms, that's a good thing.
A flat reflective surface will not return the laser energy back to the point of origin unless the surface perpendicular to the beam.
The angle of incidence equals the angle of reflection.
Look at the F117, the flat facets reflect the beam away unless you are exactly perpendicular to the surface.
Picture a cube and a sphere, both with a mirror surface. The cube will reflect your laser pointer right back at you only if you are in exactly the right spot.
The sphere will reflect some energy back at you no matter where you are or where you hit it with the laser pointer.
"the sensors a foot off the ground, and it picked up the Laser. The V-1 didn't even peep."
The ZR3 may very well be much more sensitive than the V1. I would suspect that could be true from the experience you relate.
However, there is a possibility that the ZR3 may just have a wider field of view.
I don't see any downside to a wider field of view. If the ZR3 will give good distant warning without false alarms, that's a good thing.
