SRT all access.....fail

Go reread this thread, go reread the letter from Chrysler, the letter from the BOD complaining about Ralph to Sergio, go reread the "splinter group" letter from the VCA to all members and figure out who the "VCA" is.

My statements still stand. The VCA needs to stop playing victim. Complaining about your "competition" is about the worst form of advertising there is.

 

Wow, now this is hyper sensitive. Also really describes the problem a bit. You are not mentioned, get defensive and then say "I am the VCA". Give us all a break. I was a member as well. You pay an annual fee to get some access to things in the club, but don't call yourself the club. Ralph and SRT don't interact w/you do they? Do you slam VOA? If not, then obviously folks were not speaking about you. As the prior post mentioned, two prior folks cant seem to defend the club without putting down another and SRT. Someone wisely above said the term "integrity". If I was SRT, I would not advertise here until the club re-earned a good reputation as I would not want to be associated with it until that time comes. Just this thread alone fails that litmus test. So, please don't read that as you specifically or the broader membership (which appears to be leaving in droves), but think about it as the new leadership representing integrity. That will not happen when vocal representatives behave as listed above.

Instead, tell us the following:
1) Progress on repairing the relationship with SRT and Ralph specifically
2) Current status on members, renewals, funding and local clubs still remaining
3) Reason to believe things are going to improve and why we should pay a membership fee.

 

Again I notice Attack…attack…attack. (even attacked a friend)

I was responding to previous questions with facts as I understand them.

To answer the question about where the current VCA members will go for events when their current regional president switches over to the other club, they will most likely select a new Regional President under VCA, elect a new President and reform their club under the VCA Banner.

Just the same thing as when a current Regional President quits. Another will step forward. They will want to stay with the same club and hang with their current friends. The region will become divided, and each club will have their share of the membership. People who want to join with the other club will do so, and many will want nothing to do with either club. (Can't blame them). Some of the current VCA Zone Directors, Directors at Large, and past Regional Presidents will step in to save their local regions, rather than see them flounder when a president leaves. New Presidents will organize those that wish to remain VCA, and the club will continue on as before.

Every Regional club will have people that do not like the way their current President is directing their club. This will give them the opportunity for a fresh start and new leadership. This thing is not all one sided. Many people will be happy to see their current President go, while others will follow him down the yellow brick road.

There are currently thousands of VCA members. Some will stay and some will go. What remains is what the VCA will build on. It will be a more solid foundation, with those that wish the VCA to prosper in a solid alliance, while the dissenters will all be gone.

I remember this same thing when some VCA members were upset that the club website was determined to remain family friendly. No personal threats, no porn, no vulger language. Many left to form Viper Alley. This drew away many posters, but the VCA stayed true to their standards, and has remained in solid growth mode.

VCA will not go away. It will build upon those who want it to succeed. Many members have been here since the beginning. They have seen many issues arise, and themselves have arisen to meet the challenge. There is no quit in these guys. Nobody is going to tell them which club they can belong to, and to which they cannot belong. They are strong and independent. They can decide for themselves whether they have gotten good value from their club membership.

They will remember all the good times they have had, how much great information they have received from the website. They will remember all the great fun at VOI's, regional Zone Events and how much enjoyment they have benefited from at regional club events. Many will not want to risk all this on a start up club that still needs to prove themselves worthy.

Many will stay with VCA for another year, and see how they do. If they do not like what they see, they can always check out the new club, and see which one is providing the best value.

Many will see the value of staying where they feel comfortable. Many will rise to the occasion, and head up their current VCA region if their current president decides to jump ship.

This whole thing reminds me of Obama Care, where over 1/2 of the Senate leaders voted to throw out a well running and well established private insurance program which most people (not the leaders) really liked. They promised that the new and improved insurance plan, with new leadership would solve all the problems…then the website crashed.

 

We will see in january.....I'm not so sure that many people will belong to both club, of course thye want to keep the frindship and that's why they follow their region. If someone start a VCA chapter in a region who switch to VOA it will only divide the region, nothing good there.....Registration was huge on VOA's side and unlike here there is a lot less negativity. Reading the forum here all we see is negativity wich the new board encourage by not responding and STILL erasing threads.

 

I agree that I am being overly sensitive. I just am tired of the sniping and name calling now that there is a new option. I have chosen to go with the new option for various reasons; but, this forum still has good threads to draw me to it also. I do not like the repeated mention here of the leadership that was forced out either. I think that is also in poor taste. IMHO, both sets of leadership are most likely good people with good intentions if you knew them personally. Maybe they don't think like I do; but, not many people do.

I do understand that when lovers break up, they can not let go. They have to keep on talking about the other one to their froends, and keep going back over to the other one's place to bitch some more to them.

 

Great post Jim, I'm glad you clarified your position. I too am on both forums because it's about the car and the people, clubs come second in my mind. That's what most of us care about. I also believe that nearly everyone in this thread wants the same thing- just a place to come and share experiences with the Viper. We want Viper Nation to move past this and get back to enjoying the car!

However I will say this, any sniping about those who were forced out of VCA leadership is going to be a hot button for much of Viper Nation. I know Maurice personally, you will not find a man with more integrity. You also won't find anyone that has done more for the Viper community, save maybe Ralph. He's the opposite of political, so I won't tolerate attacks on him. I also met Lance, Prez of the SoCal VCA, along with a bunch of SoCal guys that I really like. Those friendships will continue regardless of club affiliation, and I plan on attending events with my SoCal brothers again in the future. My closest friends are democrats, I'm a republican. As adults we've managed to get along most of the time, LOL.

What fans the flames are some of the recent negative posts including "fail" and "Told ya…" They open old wounds. Perhaps we should leave these hot buttons alone and focus on the Viper and the people.

 

according to Ralph Gilles, Viper is closing in on 600 units sold so far

 

That is for approx. 1/2 of the year, correct? Also, if so, isn't that many more (than for the same time) than that of the Gen4 sales for 09 and 10?

 

Cars have only been on showroom floors since April as I recall

 

Remind me what was this thread originally about? Oh correct, a banner.